Saved by faith alone?

[Lamar]

Repentance is super but it doesn't restore relationship. Relationship cannot be lost. You cannot stop being the temple of God. Repentance restores the relationship to its proper order.

"Repentance is super but it doesn't restore relationship. Relationship cannot be lost."

Tell that to the prodigal son!

His father told his son that he was both a lost son and a dead son.

Wait let me guess, it's not what it seems like.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 10:4

 

[Lamar]

There you go again, adding words to the text that are simply not there.

Here, I will help you out, since you seem so blind to your own folly:

No "must" in that sentence. There was however a must in the sentence, "You must be born again."

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

No "must" here. I guess we are all safe.

 

[Magenta]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

No "must" here. I guess we are all safe.

Still no admission from you that you do that which you repeatedly say others should not?

 

[John146]

If we "willfully sin", the Holy Spirit leaves us. I am not talking about making a mistake, but knowingly sinning.

All of us "knowingly sin" everyday. Don't fool yourself. Every moment of my life is as battle with the flesh. Paul got saved one time. Where in scripture do you see Paul getting saved over and over because of sin, and yet, Paul struggled with sin.

 

[Cameron143]

Grace does not allow for sin, in this world nor in Heaven. Christians who knowingly sin will not inherit eternal life.

Romans 6
[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Titus 2
[11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

You don't understand grace. You are still under the law unfortunately. You are still dealing with God based on your performance and not the finished work of Christ. Regardless of your words to the contrary, you are trusting in yourself to keep yourself saved. I recognize that all my sins are already forgiven so when I sin I have an advocate with the Father who pleads my case and His blood.

 

[Lamar]

If a so-called person makes it their habit to do those things they aren't saved. The God who saves also preserves.

And how do you as one of the few chosen of God know that this "so-called person" is not also one of the few chosen of God.

 

[Cameron143]

"Repentance is super but it doesn't restore relationship. Relationship cannot be lost."

Tell that to the prodigal son!

His father told his son that he was both a lost son and a dead son.

Wait let me guess, it's not what it seems like.

He was lost because that's how we all come into the world. That's why salvation is necessary. He was lost before he left. He just didn't realize it until things got really bad.

 

[NightTwister]

Obedience-not-required based salvation is heresy, plain and simple.

Keep trying to work your way there. You'll never get there.

 

[NightTwister]

"What they are actually saying"??

Can't the verses just mean what they are saying?

Why is it that you have to explain what the verses are "actually saying"?


God requiring acts of obedience is arrogance on my part???

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

It is Jesus requiring baptism not me.
It is you who is denying what is clearly written.

Acts of obedience are not works of salvation, there are no works of salvation!

It is simply you and others falsely labeling the motives of the submissive. Show so grace, they are but doing what is clearly presented in the Bible.

The arrogance is you thinking you can work your way to salvation.

 

[NightTwister]

Okay but why does scripture not use the verbiage you are using?
You use alone

Are you or are you not one of the few chosen?

This is a real question for those who believe in predestination.

I have asked this question many times and have never had anyone say that they were not one of the chosen.

So are you one of the chosen? Be honest.

Proof text is a lousy way to try to understand the Bible.

Yes. Those who are not would never even consider the question.

 

[07-07-07]

All of us "knowingly sin" everyday. Don't fool yourself. Every moment of my life is as battle with the flesh.

The Saints of God do not knowingly sin. If they do, Salvation is lost.

Paul got saved one time. Where in scripture do you see Paul getting saved over and over because of sin, and yet, Paul struggled with sin.

Many Christians have completely misconstrued Romans 7. Paul was not a sinning Christian under grace. Romans 7 is Paul describing himself and his struggles with sin when he was under the Law.

 

[Lamar]

You don't understand grace. You are still under the law unfortunately. You are still dealing with God based on your performance and not the finished work of Christ. Regardless of your words to the contrary, you are trusting in yourself to keep yourself saved. I recognize that all my sins are already forgiven so when I sin I have an advocate with the Father who pleads my case and His blood.

Your belief that you are one of the chosen few of God does not give you insight into the future of others. He may not "still be under the law"
as you say. He may also be one of the chosen few of God.

 

[07-07-07]

You don't understand grace. You are still under the law unfortunately. You are still dealing with God based on your performance and not the finished work of Christ. Regardless of your words to the contrary, you are trusting in yourself to keep yourself saved. I recognize that all my sins are already forgiven so when I sin I have an advocate with the Father who pleads my case and His blood.

I understand grace because I am saved by God's grace. His grace convicted me of my sins. His grace turned me from my sins. His grace washed me clean with the blood of Jesus Christ His beloved Son. His grace keeps me journeying on everyday. His grace will see me through until the end. Thank God for His grace!

 

[Lamar]

Proof text is a lousy way to try to understand the Bible.

Yes. Those who are not would never even consider the question.

And you know this how?

So only those who sincerely believe in predestination are among the chosen few?

 

[Cameron143]

And how do you as one of the few chosen of God know that this "so-called person" is not also one of the few chosen of God.

I never made the claim to be one of a few. I only claimed that I was chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. You characterize chosen with few. I have repeatedly said that heaven is populated with a number that no man can number.
So-called was a term the poster to whom I was responding used. I merely answered using his terminology. And I was also using the same verse the poster employed to make the point. The fictional example was so-called. But the very term so-called implies something being called one thing when it is actually something else.
As to how I know, that's a matter of discernment. I can never know ultimately whether someone is saved or not because I cannot see another's heart. But I can make functional judgments based on the word of God.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Your response makes no sense. They are commands and commands are requirements.

this makes no sens in light that salvation is not of work.

it is required that you be perfect.

If you have failed to do this. You are forced to come to God by grace

 

[Cameron143]

I understand grace because I am saved by God's grace. His grace convicted me of my sins. His grace turned me from my sins. His grace washed me clean with the blood of Jesus Christ His beloved Son. His grace keeps me journeying on everyday. His grace will see me through until the end. Thank God for His grace!

All you said there is right. But what is the case if and when you sin? Does that same grace lead you into a godly sorrow and repentance?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You have it backwards. You aren't saved until you obey and do what you're told to do. No different in the OT or NT. Re the account of Naaman in 2 Kings 5. He was told by Elisha to dip 7 times in the Jordan, to go wash and be cleansed to cure his leopracy. He questioned why, but eventually obeyed and was cured. No different with Abraham. It's upon obedience that we're made whole and not before. The scriptural language is sufficiently clear and leaves no doubt.

no one ever was saved by works.

Even Abraham believed and it was given him righteousness..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Is Jesus a "anathema" when He added water baptism into salvation in Mark 16:16?

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Think long and hard before you answer.

can you show me the word water in mark 16?

Also. why did Jesus contradict himself?

John 3: 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Is jesus the author of confusion?