Did man land on the moon?

[PennEd]

Not at all. If man really had landed on the moon, I'd be all for publishing it. Especially if that man were myself. Just because some people or most people believe what they want to believe doesn't mean that all of us do. If I believed what I wanted to believe, I would believe the world is a happy place where everybody - especially governments - tell the truth. But I know this is simply not true - believing the truth makes life more difficult.

For starters, shills wouldn't get the threads I post in closed down 'cause too much truth is getting out, or accuse me of "slandering" "fellow born-again Christians" because they sadly can't explain the lies and inconsistencies associated with their preposterous claims.

I tell the Lord, it wasn't 3, maybe 4 years ago that I would have thought the idea that we didn't go to the moon ridiculous and kooky like some of the people here.

But I decide to give the "deniers" an honest hearing. As more and more proof and supporting extraneous proof, like the Freemason stuff, became available to consider, I have now reached the point where I would bet my life that we didn't go.

 

[Moses_Young]

I tell the Lord, it wasn't 3, maybe 4 years ago that I would have the thought the idea that we didn't go to the moon ridiculous and kooky like some of the people here.

But I decide to give the "deniers" an honest hearing. As more and more proof and supporting extraneous proof, like the Freemason stuff, became available to consider, I have now reached the point where I would bet my life that we didn't go.

I remember that feeling many years ago when I first heard that cancer wasn't due to cell mutations, and could be combated as an ordinary disease. At the time, I couldn't entertain the thought, because it went against my world-view too much. Cognitive dissonance.

We are indoctrinated into so many lies, the truth literally becomes unbelievable.

 

[ZNP]

I tell the Lord, it wasn't 3, maybe 4 years ago that I would have thought the idea that we didn't go to the moon ridiculous and kooky like some of the people here.

But I decide to give the "deniers" an honest hearing. As more and more proof and supporting extraneous proof, like the Freemason stuff, became available to consider, I have now reached the point where I would bet my life that we didn't go.

I'm starting to think that everything I believed was true was a lie.

 

[ZNP]

I remember that feeling many years ago when I first heard that cancer wasn't due to cell mutations, and could be combated as an ordinary disease. At the time, I couldn't entertain the thought, because it went against my world-view too much. Cognitive dissonance.

We are indoctrinated into so many lies, the truth literally becomes unbelievable.

yes, do the math, you will realize how completely absurd that theory is.

1. How many cells in the human body?

2. How many genes in our DNA?

3. How many genes need to be changed to create cancer (generally said to be 3 or more, and specific ones, not just any one).

What are the odds that those 3 genes in that particular cell would be changed (answer -- the odds are much greater than the odds of winning the lottery). So then how do millions of people have the same cancer? It is mathematically impossible.

However, suppose the damage from radiation was massive, every other cell had two or three genes damaged, then the odds that one of those cells would result in cancer would certainly be possible. However, massive cell damage like that is called radiation poisoning and you would see people dying in a matter of weeks.

 

[Moses_Young]

I'm starting to think that everything I believed was true was a lie.

I don't think maths is. Hard to lie about maths to those who know how to use it. The same with the scientific method, although there are counterfeit descriptions of science being sold now (e.g. it must be peer reviewed, accepted by other scientists, "trust the science" etc.) Even language and English have been used and are being used to convey dishonesty.

yes, do the math, you will realize how completely absurd that theory is.

1. How many cells in the human body?

2. How many genes in our DNA?

3. How many genes need to be changed to create cancer (generally said to be 3 or more, and specific ones, not just any one).

What are the odds that those 3 genes in that particular cell would be changed (answer -- the odds are much greater than the odds of winning the lottery). So then how do millions of people have the same cancer? It is mathematically impossible.

However, suppose the damage from radiation was massive, every other cell had two or three genes damaged, then the odds that one of those cells would result in cancer would certainly be possible. However, massive cell damage like that is called radiation poisoning and you would see people dying in a matter of weeks.

This was actually the main argument that convinced me, and started me down the path of looking for alternative explanations.

 

[ZNP]

If mylar protects you from radiation why don't dentists use it?

 

[ZNP]

I'm starting to think that everything I believed was true was a lie.

Uh oh, I'm starting to think that Fauci doesn't respect the science, anti vaxxers are not nuts, and all these wars are not a simple matter of good guys wearing white hats fighting against bad guys with black hats. What's next, that pizzagate was real? Jan 6th was a false flag? Russia collusion in 2016 was a hoax concocted by Hillary Clinton? Joe Biden actually did talk to his son about his business dealings?

Is anything they say true? Because if nothing they say is true that includes the claim of all the jobs Biden has created! Does this mean that Hunter is not the smartest person Joe knows?

 

[Gojira]

I just watched the video that Penned posted because I wanted to understand why they had an issue with this.

I thought there were several valid issues raised. NASA's own footage appears to show the flag flapping around in the wind. You would think a picture of the Earth from the moon would be filled with stars. In fact if it were filled with stars we would be able to confirm if the picture was taken from the moon. You can get satellites in low earth orbit to take pictures of the earth and then photoshop them to appear to be taken from the moon, but the stars would prove they were photoshopped. That to me proves beyond any doubt that the pictures of the earth have been photoshopped, either they removed all stars for some reason or the pictures are fake and they didn't want the proof in the photos.

At the very least you would think that NASA would respond to these questions as they are valid. Obviously NASA erased all the stars, so why did they do that? I suppose that by blacking out the stars it makes the Earth pop out even more. Fine, then show us the original picture with the stars so we can confirm it was taken from the moon while selling your "Earth rise" picture.

As for the problem with the radiation I have always wondered about that. It always amazed me that those flimsy aluminum foil like stuff on the capsule would protect them, much less the spacesuits. I'm glad there are scientists raising the same question why the rest of us need 4-6 inches of lead to protect us they only need a layer of mylar.

The stars are not seen due to camera exposure limitations. Our eyes can easily adjust. A camera can only do that with long exposures and then combining different exposures. Most photos of planets from space do not show stars.

There is also the way dust was kicked. Couldn't fake that in 1969. Also, curious to know why the Russians and Chinese didn't call us out on the fraud, since that whole event showed them up. Our two communist rivals of the Cold War could have brutally embarrassed their enemy.

Sheesh.

 

[Gojira]

The Van Allen Belts and the Apollo astronauts.

https://www.space.com/33948-van-allen-radiation-belts.html

In the 1960s, several Apollo crews went through the Van Allen belts on their way to and from the moon. Their time in that radiation-intensive region, however, was very short, in part because the trajectory was designed to pass through the thinnest known parts.

I was there. The landings really happened.

Don't lie to us! Don't you know that we all know that you know that the moon's actually green cheese? C'mon dude.

 

[ZNP]

The stars are not seen due to camera exposure limitations. Our eyes can easily adjust. A camera can only do that with long exposures and then combining different exposures. Most photos of planets from space do not show stars.

There is also the way dust was kicked. Couldn't fake that in 1969. Also, curious to know why the Russians and Chinese didn't call us out on the fraud, since that whole event showed them up. Our two communist rivals of the Cold War could have brutally embarrassed their enemy.

Sheesh.

 

[ZNP]

The stars are not seen due to camera exposure limitations. Our eyes can easily adjust. A camera can only do that with long exposures and then combining different exposures. Most photos of planets from space do not show stars.

There is also the way dust was kicked. Couldn't fake that in 1969. Also, curious to know why the Russians and Chinese didn't call us out on the fraud, since that whole event showed them up. Our two communist rivals of the Cold War could have brutally embarrassed their enemy.

Sheesh.

Tell that to the photographers. I have taken many photographs and I have no idea what you are talking about. Many professional photographers have raised this issue with the photograph. I suspect the Earth is about as bright and lit up at night as the moon is on a full moon. I have seen many full moon pictures with the stars in the background.

If you are in the desert without any light pollution and a clear sky (similar to being on the moon, only the moon doesn't have any atmosphere at all) then the sky is filled with stars.

"Camera exposure limitations" is a bogus explanation, common sense destroys it.

https://starwalk.space/en/news/the-full-wolf-moon-lights-up-the-winter-sky

 

[Billyd]

The actual space suits of the Apollo 11 astronauts are on display in the Smithsonian.

Here's the details of the radiation protection.

https://airandspace.si.edu/research/projects/armstrong-suit

 

[Gojira]

Uh oh, I'm starting to think that Fauci doesn't respect the science, anti vaxxers are not nuts, and all these wars are not a simple matter of good guys wearing white hats fighting against bad guys with black hats. What's next, that pizzagate was real? Jan 6th was a false flag? Russia collusion in 2016 was a hoax concocted by Hillary Clinton? Joe Biden actually did talk to his son about his business dealings?

Is anything they say true? Because if nothing they say is true that includes the claim of all the jobs Biden has created! Does this mean that Hunter is not the smartest person Joe knows?

Everything is a lie! In fact, my declaring that was too! The vortex of contradiction is sucking me in and pulling me apart!!! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ZNP]

The actual space suits of the Apollo 11 astronauts are on display in the Smithsonian.

Here's the details of the radiation protection.

https://airandspace.si.edu/research/projects/armstrong-suit

There is nothing in there about protection from radiation.

 

[Gojira]

Tell that to the photographers. I have taken many photographs and I have no idea what you are talking about. Many professional photographers have raised this issue with the photograph. I suspect the Earth is about as bright and lit up at night as the moon is on a full moon. I have seen many full moon pictures with the stars in the background.

If you are in the desert without any light pollution and a clear sky (similar to being on the moon, only the moon doesn't have any atmosphere at all) then the sky is filled with stars.

"Camera exposure limitations" is a bogus explanation, common sense destroys it.

https://starwalk.space/en/news/the-full-wolf-moon-lights-up-the-winter-sky

Sorry, not buying this. Nothing bogus about it, and you haven't addressed the Russian / Chinese point. Unless... for some conspiratorial reason they TOO were in on it!

Oh this topsy turvy world!!!!!

 

[ZNP]

Sorry, not buying this. Nothing bogus about it, and you haven't addressed the Russian / Chinese point. Unless... for some conspiratorial reason they TOO were in on it!

Oh this topsy turvy world!!!!!

There is no reason for me to answer questions about China and Russia, how would I know? The point is that NASA should be willing to respond to all valid questions. These are valid questions and their explanations are bogus or non existant.

The question about radiation is the most important.

The link concerning the weight of Armstrong's suit and what it is made of is proof that it isn't a shield against radiation. They also admit this is what he was wearing in the spaceship. Also they point out he left his boots on the moon to save weight which would further point out that their is no way for them to have lead shields protecting from the radiation. We have already confirmed that they got enough radiation while on the moon to have radiation poisoning and enough radiation on the trip to kill them within a few weeks.

Until that question is answered then it is absurd to believe anything they say, and it is incumbent on them to explain to us how they solved that problem. If they refuse to answer that question then all the doubt about the moon landing is on them for not explaining this.

 

[Billyd]

Apollo 11 laser reflection experiment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

Reflector didn't position itself.

Worked before astronauts returned to earth. Still there today.

 

[ZNP]

Apollo 11 laser reflection experiment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

Reflector didn't position itself.

Worked before astronauts returned to earth. Still there today.

No one is disputing satellites in space or robots on Mars. Obviously if you can put a robot on Mars you can place a mirror on the moon.

None of this answers the questions about men on the moon and the problem of radiation.

 

[Billyd]

There is nothing in there about protection from radiation.

The outer 13 layers were there for protection from micrometeorites and solar radiation. The same basic suit with improvements based on prior usage, was used for over 20 years.

 

[Billyd]

No one is disputing satellites in space or robots on Mars. Obviously if you can put a robot on Mars you can place a mirror on the moon.

None of this answers the questions about men on the moon and the problem of radiation.

Robots capable of positioning the reflector were still a decade or more away.