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All “tongues” Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians are producing today is based upon a subset of the existing underlying sounds (called phonemes) of the speaker’s native language, and any other language(s) the speaker may be familiar with or have had contact with.
isn't this just proof the Bible says those without God will never understand the things about God. kavik, really is proving this. look at how far away he is from God and the understanding of God? he is actually using human technology to measure the SPIRIT of God hahahahahahaha that is literally impossible to do.
it is your voice being used.
it's not a ventriloquist act, the human must speak so what the Spirit is interceding can happen.
you act like it would be a secondary voice being used.
There are a number of studies out there, but many are journal-type papers. For actual books, I would start with William Samarin (Tongues of Men and Angels - the Religious Language of Pentecostalism) and Felicitas Goodman (Speaking in Tongues - A Cross-Cultural Study of Glossolalia). Samarin was a linguist, Goodman an anthropologist.
Correct - it's entirely the speaker. There's no secondary voice being used.
The studies also reveal that these "ecstatic utterances" are less sophisticated and less organized than known earthly languages.
Scripture and science are congruent.
Paul employed hyperbole, he was dealing with the various earthly languages that were being used in the congregation at Corinth and maybe ecstatic speech brought in by the temple prostitutes.
We are not in 1901 Topeka Kansas anymore, but the myth lives on, unfortunately.
Speaking in tongues is only called "ecstatic utterances" by people who deny it. It is never called that in the Bible.
It's truly sad that so many Christians do not understand speaking in tongues, and denigrate it in their ignorance.
Here's an example of Agnes Ozman's automatic writing of her "tongues" which she transcribed as she spoke. The caption at the bottom misspelled her name as Miss Auswin. For those who may not know, Ozman was the first who spoke in "tongues" in Topeka, KS, which kickstarted the Pentecostal movement.
Here's another one which is supposed to be Chinese.
https://charlesasullivan.com/9604/early-pentecostal-tongues-part-3/
Here's another one which is supposed to be Chinese.
https://charlesasullivan.com/9604/early-pentecostal-tongues-part-3/
I think it is the reverse it is sad that Christians have accepted a false manifestation as some private prayer language when Paul was clearly employing hyperbole.
Tongues, "lingua" in the letter to the Corinthians is known earthly languages so you would be correct that this is what Paul is addressing in his letter.
Ecstatic utterances is what we hear in modern day churches which is not speaking in a known earthly language.
Languages are organized and if angels did have a language that was given to humans I am sure it would be far more organized and meaningful not less.
actually, Paul, employed hyperbole to a single statement concerning the value of Love.
but Paul also ended with a COMMAND from GOD:
37 ...he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.
38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
basically, Paul said: I am writing to you are a command of the Lord
and ONE of those Commands by GOD: do not forbid speaking in tongues
when is the last time you OBEYED this Command by GOD?
38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
Ecstatic utterances is the correct name for what is called tongues as practiced today. It's not in God's word because ecstatic utterances aren't taught God's word.
did you see Paul speak in Tongues?
if the Spirit causes you to groan and Speak in Tongues, you don't think Paul looked ecstatic?
Paul did it so much he mentioned it.
groaning in the spirit is like vomiting dry heaves. you don't think jerking around and moaning like Paul would have done is not ecstatic?
you do know that a hyperbole definition is something you would say to mean something else about yourself.
Like you may feel as Hungary as a horse.
But your not actually a horse are you.
How on earth do you derive Paul's quotation refering tounges to language of angels as a hyperbole. ??
Paul wrote about everything he experienced.
the Holy Spirit caused Paul to MOAN and GROAN and be without words.
he must've looked like a doped out drunken idiot.
oh no, it can't be of God, then!!!
the Holy Spirit caused Paul to MOAN and GROAN and be without words.
he must've looked like a doped out drunken idiot.
oh no, it can't be of God, then!!!
we are no doubt seeing the same things today, they saw then.
Paul walking around in front of people moaning and groaning and can't speak his human language like a wounded animal.
if it was not Paul doing it, people probably would have been like the REFORMED CHURCH and Rebuked Paul...
but you can't Rebuke the TRUTH!
Paul walking around in front of people moaning and groaning and can't speak his human language like a wounded animal.
if it was not Paul doing it, people probably would have been like the REFORMED CHURCH and Rebuked Paul...
but you can't Rebuke the TRUTH!
Indeed - people tend to forget that Corinth was a large multi-cultural, multi-lingual city situated on two seaports. Imagine New York city around the turn of the last century.