Learning to live without money

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Matta

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They needed money to accomplish all of this.......money is not EVIL. The LOVE of money IS....
Hey,

yes agreed. I also believe this. The issue with money is not that it is evil in and of itself. The issue is that it may become important for us to rely less on money if inflation continues to rise to the point that the tradeoff is too high a percentage of our income. A growing concern. I'm looking at this not as an alarmist, but practically, and trying to let wisdom attend my life more.
 

Matta

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The biggest hurdle to going off grid and living without money is when I look at the farms for sale and realize that I'm gonna need about a half a million dollars to be able to get a small farm.
Yes, that is true here in Canada too. This is why we were visiting farms for sale in developing countries (Dominican Republic/Ecuador last February) Land was selling for less than $1500/acre in some areas. Another thing to think about is how we can partner with people who have farms near us.

This is not something that I need to be worrying about, rather, a way to become a little more practical in a world that is changing at a pace that seems unprecedented.
 

Matta

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Ben Franklin once advised, "the best thing a young man can do is marry a widow with 12 children", back then 80%+ of what you needed was made in the home, and kids did a lot of it, weeding the garden, milking the cow (s), churning the butter, etc, now kids are an expense to the point the birthrate is falling in 1st world societies.:)
Its an interesting balance we have not to leverage all of the best things about the technology of today that makes our lives better without losing the independence and security of having what we need when we need it.
 

shittim

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Its an interesting balance we have not to leverage all of the best things about the technology of today that makes our lives better without losing the independence and security of having what we need when we need it.
Many of our "needs" may be "wants" we have erroneously moved into the wrong column, and our crass consumerism has squandered the abundance he has provided to further the Gospel. No wonder judgement is here.:)(y):unsure:
 

Lynx

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Many of our "needs" may be "wants" we have erroneously moved into the wrong column, and our crass consumerism has squandered the abundance he has provided to further the Gospel. No wonder judgement is here.:)(y):unsure:
Oh I dunno... Some of those wants become needs as you get older. People live longer now because we have more things to use and they can get by with less effort. If elderly people today were transplanted to as little as a century ago, they would probably not be able to survive.

I'm not even talking about pills. I'm talking about transportation, air conditioning, basic comforts that take a lot of strain out of life.
 

shittim

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We had extended families to care for our older family members, not so much now.
 

iamsoandso

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Yes, that is true here in Canada too. This is why we were visiting farms for sale in developing countries (Dominican Republic/Ecuador last February) Land was selling for less than $1500/acre in some areas. Another thing to think about is how we can partner with people who have farms near us.

This is not something that I need to be worrying about, rather, a way to become a little more practical in a world that is changing at a pace that seems unprecedented.

My instinct would say to suggest that food is actually growing everywhere if you knew what to look for https://preparednessadvice.com/40-common-edible-wild-plants-north-america/ the reality though is that people use so many types of herbicides and pesticides in the modern day that creatures like bees,quail populations ect. are dwindling because there is no plants,seeds ect. for them to thrive on anymore. People like their property to look all Smith and Jones so they keep it cut and trimmed and so the plants and flowers the wildlife need never bloom or go to seed. The Romans salted the fields in the lands they invaded leaving no crops behind them to support life and it looked just like the dead grass around the street signs and the dead plants on the fence line after being sprayed with weed killer.
 

shittim

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I didn't mow until my dandelions all seeded.
My neighbors think I am a menace to society.
Would you like a neighbor like me?:giggle::)(y):unsure::coffee:
blessings
 

Lanolin

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so basically you going to buy other peoples lands and own them, in effect dispossesing them but what are THEY going to do with the money you give them? Thought you didnt want people to rely on money?
But you are using YOUR money to purchase someone elses land?
 

Billyd

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I didn't mow until my dandelions all seeded.
My neighbors think I am a menace to society.
Would you like a neighbor like me?:giggle::)(y):unsure::coffee:
blessings
If you mow them before they seed, you miss a golden part of the year.
 
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FollowingtheWay

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didn't notice, liked the lawn pictures
Try as I might to get the bottom picture at times to be my reality . I still get the top one coming through .God is great at reminding me who’s still in charge of nature. 😄 reminded me of that show projecting Earth -life after humans Where it shows after a couple hundred years most cities would look like the ancient Mayan ruins.
 

Zandar

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my grandma used to tell me a poem about the dandelion

When I was young, I had a head of gold.
Its turned grey now that I'm old.
And when the children come out to play,
They blow all my hair away!
 

HealthAndHappiness

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The biggest hurdle to going off grid and living without money is when I look at the farms for sale and realize that I'm gonna need about a half a million dollars to be able to get a small farm.
True.
You have to factor in the tractor with necessary equipment and that's now the cost of a modest house twenty years ago. The market is such that the big corporate agribusiness can undercut the family farms to the degree that we can't really compete. Finding a niche works for some, but those are full time jobs that need another high paying full time to start with the initial investment. There are exceptions, but not the norm.

I think that hobby farms are a thing of the past.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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A simplified down-to-earth life sounds charming, very sustainable, and rewarding.

Just the other day I was thinking about the root cellar we had in my family-of-origin home.
It was a small room with an earthen floor, and shelving all around holding the preserves my
mother made. She had worked as a teacher in a one-room school-house, but after marrying
my dad and the children started coming, she stayed at home, and never even learned to drive.


Back then we had milk and bread delivered to our house. Sixteen loaves of bread was a usual
weekly order, and we often ran out, and were sent to the corner store for more. A loaf of bread
was under twenty cents back then. One of my sisters was very sensitive to whether or not we
were drinking real milk, or skimmed milk made from powder; real orange juice or Tang; butter or
margarine. Us kids used to use the milk box to pass goods through when we played grocery store.


We would help making the preserves. The best (most fun) part was putting the fruit through the
grinder, which was clamped to the edge of the kitchen table. My mother would boil the jars. We
made jam, pickles, and fruit preserves of all sorts. Every weekend was flurry of activity also, with
lots of baking done (including three apple pies every week), all the regular house cleaning, and
a big load of laundry. With thirteen people in the house we did laundry at least three times a week,
but Saturday was the biggest and most loads. All this work fell to the girls, while my dad and brothers
were off selling produce at farmer's markets. I volunteered to work with them when I was eight.


The way I remember it is, my mother was against it, but because there were way more girls than boys
in the family, my dad was happy to accept my help, and he fought for me. I worked with my dad and
brothers for ten years after that, all day Saturdays, Friday after school, and special fall fairs, for which
my dad would make barrels and barrels of apple cider. I do not know what a barrel sold for, but a cup
of cider was five cents (same as the cost of a single apple), and a forty-ounce bottle was thirty five cents.
The cider would ferment after a few days, too! Of course I cannot but help think about how much every-
thing has increased in cost the last few years, but comparing prices now to then? A pound of potatoes
now costs as much as a fifty or seventy-five pound bag used to. They really were dirt cheap! Summer
was the busiest time with all the seasonal fruit we sold (lots and lots of peaches). An eleven quart
basket of peaches was three dollars and fifty cents. We sold apples and potatoes year round, along with
honey and maple syrup, rain or shine, and all through the deep dark days of snowy winter. Both of my
parents had been raised on farms, with my dad's family especially being dirt poor, and living hand to mouth.
That's really impressive. I never knew that about you.
All this talk of apple cider. Now I'm getting hungry. I better go have dinner before it's too late.