When did the Apostles receive the Holy Ghost?

Webers.Home · Jun 22, 2023

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Jesus spoke the words below prior to his crucifixion. Note the grammatical
tense of verbs.

"Drink from it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is
poured out for many for forgiveness of sins."

Now, seeing as how Jesus' blood had not yet been shed on the cross when
he spoke those words, then his grammar-- as it's translated --was incorrect.

Compare that with this:

"He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

Did they receive the Spirit right then? No; not till later on at Pentecost. So
again Jesus' grammar-- as it's translated --was incorrect.

* Actually Jesus' blood was reckoned poured out even before the first people
existed. (1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8)

And I think it's safe to reckon that Jesus' followers were given the Spirit way
back in the dateless past too, i.e. it was a done deal before they were even
born. In other words: when Jesus said "receive the Holy Spirit" he was
saying: the time has come for you to be endowed with that which was
given to you long, long ago.
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Pilgrimshope · Jun 22, 2023

Aaron56 said:

“ the Spirit only speaks what He receives from the Son.”

“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:13‬ ‭

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19‬ ‭

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

“And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

brother consider when we say this

God is a Spirit, or this the Spirit of his Son, led by the Spirit of God,the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself

the Holy Ghost which is in you,the Spirit of God dwell in you. the Spirit of Christ,
the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them;”

Theres just the one spirit the holt ghost is the spirit of Christ the son , the spirit of God the father

We don’t have three spirits in us just one and there’s just the one way to receive the spirit . We either believe the gospel and receive the holy ghost or reject the gospel and won’t

The one spirit is our shepherd our companion our brother and father our comforter The one God became everything we need including the spirit we receive through belief in Jesus and the gospel

the holy ghost is the spirit of Jesus , the spirit of God the same which comes to dwell in believers

The_Watchers_2017 · Jun 22, 2023

good thread, all good answers.

Blade · Jun 22, 2023

LeeLoving said:

This is how I look at it. Now we know Christ breathed on them to receive the holy spirit. Now we know Christ said if I do not go away, the Helper will not come [to you]. So Christ did what God told us to do. Through Christ He said you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children how much more will your heavenly Father give the holy Spirit to them that ask. So what was the "promise" that Christ prayed to the Father for? So the 12/120+ who were all saved but all received the holy Spirit and then Peter right after that told them were not drunk (this happens with the sweet sweet holy Spirit some times) told them to repent be saved and then receive the gift of the holy Spirit "Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

We read NT he asked them have you received the holy Spirit since you believed "and said to them, “Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?” They said to him, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”.

So I read Luke 11:13.. I ask and my Father gave me that was already found born from above, born again the sweet sweet holy Spirit.. oh man it was like night and day! You shall receive power "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you". Yeah Christ had already rose they were already saved. Now not here to say "what Jesus really meant" or "what that those verses are really saying". No you read you find out what He said. To listen to others to ask is very wise but.. if you follow some man all you get is just what they believe.

So I read I seek I ask HIM about what HE said. I think He knows better. I believed Him when He said John 3:16-17 so I do the same for Luke 11:13. I don't need any man to tell me anything. I read I then just do what He said period. Forgive me but I would NEVER EVER want to life this life with out being filled with the sweet sweet holy Spirit.

wattie · Jun 22, 2023

Again.. a group receiving the Holy Spirit is not the same as individual indwelling.

If the context establishes the group is of believers.. then any receiving of the Holy Spirit is not about receiving salvation.

Webers.Home · Jun 22, 2023

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wattie said:

Insanity is repeating the same mistakes,
And expecting different results.
Hazelden Foundation
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wattie · Jun 22, 2023

Webers.Home said:

That's pretty low man! It is completely obvious in scripture.. that individual indwelling and a group receiving the Holy Spirit are different things!

Read the book of John and compare to the book of Acts.

And yeah..I'm repeating myself..so what?

Pilgrimshope · Jun 23, 2023

wattie said:

If it’s so obvious in scripture show how it’s different with scripture instead of just saying it’s obvious. I don’t think you can show any difference at all or any scripture saying anything you’re explaining is there . It’s a friendly challenge

Nehemiah6 · Jun 23, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

It is obvious to anyone with an open mind. Why do you think Christ "breathed on them"? An empty gesture? Sometimes it is better to admit that you are mistaken than persist in error. Ellicott's commentary is quite accurate:

And when he had said this, he breathed on them.—The word rendered “breathed” occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, but was familiar from its use in the Greek (LXX.) of Genesis 2:7. St. John uses to describe this act of the risen Lord the striking word which had been used to describe the act by which God breathed into man’s nostrils the breath of life. He writes as one who remembered how the influence of that moment on their future lives was a new spiritual creation, by which they were called, as it were, out of death into life. It was the first step in that great moral change which passed over the disciples after the Crucifixion, and of which the day of Pentecost witnessed the accomplishment.

And saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.—These words are not, on the one hand, to be understood as simply a promise of the future gift of the Holy Ghost, for they are a definite imperative, referring to the moment when they were spoken; nor are they, on the other hand, to be taken as the promised advent of the Paraclete (John 14:16 et seq.), for the gift of the Holy Ghost was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified (John 7:39; John 16:7 et seq.). The meaning is that He then gave to them a sign, which was itself to faithful hearts as the firstfruits of that which was to come. His act was sacramental, and with the outer and visible sign there was the inward and spiritual grace. The very word used was that used when He said to them, “Take (receive ye), eat; this is My body” (Matthew 26:26; Mark 14:22). It would come to them now with a fulness of sacred meaning. The Risen Body is present with them. The constant spiritual Presence in the person of the Paraclete is promised to them. They again hear the words “Receive ye,” and the very command implies the power to obey. (Comp. Excursus C: The Sacramental Teaching of St. John’s Gospel, p. 556.)

Aaron56 · Jun 23, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

It is obvious to anyone with an open mind. Why do you think Christ "breathed on them"? An empty gesture? Sometimes it is better to admit that you are mistaken than persist in error. Ellicott's commentary is quite accurate:

And when he had said this, he breathed on them.—The word rendered “breathed” occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, but was familiar from its use in the Greek (LXX.) of Genesis 2:7. St. John uses to describe this act of the risen Lord the striking word which had been used to describe the act by which God breathed into man’s nostrils the breath of life. He writes as one who remembered how the influence of that moment on their future lives was a new spiritual creation, by which they were called, as it were, out of death into life. It was the first step in that great moral change which passed over the disciples after the Crucifixion, and of which the day of Pentecost witnessed the accomplishment.

And saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.—These words are not, on the one hand, to be understood as simply a promise of the future gift of the Holy Ghost, for they are a definite imperative, referring to the moment when they were spoken; nor are they, on the other hand, to be taken as the promised advent of the Paraclete (John 14:16 et seq.), for the gift of the Holy Ghost was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified (John 7:39; John 16:7 et seq.). The meaning is that He then gave to them a sign, which was itself to faithful hearts as the firstfruits of that which was to come. His act was sacramental, and with the outer and visible sign there was the inward and spiritual grace. The very word used was that used when He said to them, “Take (receive ye), eat; this is My body” (Matthew 26:26; Mark 14:22). It would come to them now with a fulness of sacred meaning. The Risen Body is present with them. The constant spiritual Presence in the person of the Paraclete is promised to them. They again hear the words “Receive ye,” and the very command implies the power to obey. (Comp. Excursus C: The Sacramental Teaching of St. John’s Gospel, p. 556.)

Yes.

There is no guile in the Lord. He is not given to theatrics.

This action: breathing on them to give them the Spirit, was done to exactly represent the creation of man: when God breathed into the nostrils of man to make Adam a living being.

In this example, however, the Spirit Who gives life is breathed into them. The promise is this: out of those who received the Holy Spirit will flow rivers of living water.

The first was done to create the natural man: Adam. The last was done to create the spiritual man: Christ. Christ is the head of the many-membered body.

DJT_47 · Jun 23, 2023

LeeLoving said:

You're confusing the issue a bit. Acts 2:38 tells you when we, thisr in biblical times, and everyone typically receives the gift of the Holy Ghost, unlike that passage in John 20 which obviously was unique to them, the apostles. Notice too in Acts 2:38 it says the gift, singular, not gifts, which means the actual indwelling of the Spirit itself and not a miraculous manifestation of the Spirit commonly referred to as gifts (plural), those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10. By the John 20 passage you cited, it appears they, the apostles (minus Thomas), received the gift of the Holy Ghost then and in that unique way. It's not known if Jesus also breathed on Thomas to impart the gift of the Holy Ghost in that way, or upon his baptism. It's also not told to us that the apostles were baptized, but it can only be assumed they were because of the command to do so as well as the necessity for baptism which is for the remission of sins, to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and to become part of the Lord's body (Acts 2:47) which is his church.

But in Acts 2 when the Holy Ghost "fell" miraculously on the apostles, it fulfilled the Joel prophesy as Peter explains, and also relates back to John the Baptist's comments in Luke 3:16, but also confirming what Jesus told the apostles noted in Luke 24:49 as part of "the power from on high". The Holy Spirit fell miraculously again in a similar manner in Acts 10, but on the Gentiles who then were also baptized to receive the indwelling of the Spirit, have their sins remitted, and be added to the body of Christ as per Acts 2:38.

The miraculous manifestation of the Spirit falling on those two occasions only was so done to validate as a sign and confirmation to those present the events taking place, which was the starting of the church first in Jerusalem amongst the Jews, and then in Caesarea amongst the Gentiles. All other times that the miraculous manifestation of the Spirit occurred (various gifts being imparted) was the result of the laying on of the apostle's hands.

CS1 · Jun 23, 2023

DJT_47 said:

You're confusing the issue a bit. Acts 2:38 tells you when we, thisr in biblical times, and everyone typically receives the gift of the Holy Ghost, unlike that passage in John 20 which obviously was unique to them, the apostles. Notice too in Acts 2:38 it says the gift, singular, not gifts, which means the actual indwelling of the Spirit itself and not a miraculous manifestation of the Spirit commonly referred to as gifts (plural), those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10. By the John 20 passage you cited, it appears they, the apostles (minus Thomas), received the gift of the Holy Ghost then and in that unique way. It's not known if Jesus also breathed on Thomas to impart the gift of the Holy Ghost in that way, or upon his baptism. It's also not told to us that the apostles were baptized, but it can only be assumed they were because of the command to do so as well as the necessity for baptism which is for the remission of sins, to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and to become part of the Lord's body (Acts 2:47) which is his church.

But in Acts 2 when the Holy Ghost "fell" miraculously on the apostles, it fulfilled the Joel prophesy as Peter explains, and also relates back to John the Baptist's comments in Luke 3:16, but also confirming what Jesus told the apostles noted in Luke 24:49 as part of "the power from on high". The Holy Spirit fell miraculously again in a similar manner in Acts 10, but on the Gentiles who then were also baptized to receive the indwelling of the Spirit, have their sins remitted, and be added to the body of Christ as per Acts 2:38.

The miraculous manifestation of the Spirit falling on those two occasions only was so done to validate as a sign and confirmation to those present the events taking place, which was the starting of the church first in Jerusalem amongst the Jews, and then in Caesarea amongst the Gentiles. All other times that the miraculous manifestation of the Spirit occurred (various gifts being imparted) was the result of the laying on of the apostle's hands.

that's not true.

The House of Cornelious did not have hands laid on them. They were not even water baptized yet.

DJT_47 · Jun 23, 2023

CS1 said:

You didn't read what I said carefully. The 2 instances of the Holy Ghost falling unilaterally was Acts 2 and acts 10. Why? Because it validated what was happening as a sign to those present. The church was started as a result in Jerusalem and Caesarea. No other instances are found where the Spirit fell in this miraculous unilateral manner. All other instances of the miraculous manifestations of the Spirit required the laying on of the apostle's hands. The Spirit fell in actsc2con the apostles who then spoke in earthly tongues which was to convince the Jews. The Spirit fell 1st on the Gentiles in Acts 10 as validation to Paul and company that it was God's plan to bring the Gentiles into the body of Christ. The Gentiles were then immediately baptized. Why? Same reason as
stated in Acts 2:38. To remove sin, to receive the indwelling of the Holy Ghost, and to be added to the body by the Lord per verse 47 of Acts 2. I hope this is clearer for you.

Bob-Carabbio · Jun 23, 2023

LeeLoving said:

John 20:22 = the Holy Spirit IN the disciples. Acts 2:4 = The Holy Spirit ON the disciples.

Cessationists want to teach that NOTHING happened at John 20:22, and it all happened at Acts 2:4.

DJT_47 · Jun 23, 2023

Bob-Carabbio said:

Read my above post #31 which addresses this John 20:22 scripture

LeeLoving · Jun 24, 2023

Bob-Carabbio said:

There does appear to be a difference in what is being said.

notmyown · Jun 24, 2023

Bob-Carabbio said:

what about Peter's explanation of what was happening?

i'm not a cessationist, but i understand Acts 2 differently. the smart guys call it the democratization of the Spirit. Peter quotes the prophet Joel and basically says, THIS (what the people were seeing) was THAT (what Joel foretold).

remember when Moses expressed a wish that all God's people had the Spirit? this is part of the New Covenant, right?

notmyown · Jun 24, 2023

LeeLoving said:

Luke 24:49
King James Version
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

John 20:21-22
King James Version
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

So if I'm not mistaken, in John 20:22 Jesus breathes on 10 of the Apostles and they receive the Holy Ghost then (Thomas wasn't there), but in Luke 24:49 it seems to say that that is when they received the Holy Ghost (Thomas is there). Is this a contradiction? They must be two different events too. Is what is happening in Luke 24:49 not the Apostles receiving the Holy Ghost?

thank you for asking questions. your questions are very thoughtful.

CS1 · Jun 24, 2023

DJT_47 said:

The issue I see is the statement you said

"miraculous manifestations of the Spirit required the laying on of the apostle's hands."

That is assumed nothing in the scriptures says that the " Apostles must lay their hands on you as a requirement.

I will also remind you that Ananias, who laid hands on Paul, was a Disciple, not an Apostle. Acts 9:12, 17

CS1 · Jun 24, 2023

Bob-Carabbio said:

The problem with that is many do so at the expense of the words of Jesus in John chapters 14, 15, and 16; these unity chapter

Jesus said,

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

chapter 15 :
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Chapter 16

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

In Chapter 20 :19-22 after Jesus had risen from the dead :

he said :

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Is important to note Jesus said this then prior to acending He told them to go and wait until you have received POWER from the Holy Spirit which will come Upon you.

Luke 24:

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Jesus says again in Acts 1:8 after the disciples asked Jesus will he at this time restore his Kingdom.

Jesus admonished them and said

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

They received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them, as we all do when we are saved.

Then Jesus told them to wait for Power or what is known as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit who will come upon them. Acts 1:8

That had not happened yet. Because Jesus is the Baptizer in the Holy Spirit, as the Gospel of John says in chapter 1:33

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Jesus had to ascend first because of the Holy Spirit. As we see, when Jesus was baptized in the River Jordan, the Holy Spirit came upon Jesus and Never left. The fullness of the Holy Spirit remained on HIM.

The Apostles, I believe, were saved before the day of Pentecost and had the indwelled Holy Spirit but were empowered on the day of Pentecost after the Holy Spirit came upon them, as Jesus said.

When did the Apostles receive the Holy Ghost?

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