In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

[Cameron143]

Discernment? What about truth? I am not taking what you say personally nor should you my commentary a perspective as I see the issue with those who say 1000 years IS a day and have only one verse in scripture to build on. Do I think days literal days of 24 hours are possible with GOD to create on? Yes, I do. Do I know for sure it was 24 hrs? or 1000 years which would be 365,000 days?

No, I do not. Does it matter other than God is the "First Cause uncaused"? Not at all. If an atheist wants to argue the 6-day / 1000-year creation I let them and have no need to engage them why?

because a fool has said in their hear there is no God. And debating a fool makes you one too.

I don't take anything personally and I'm glad you are not either.
I haven't offered a position on creation. I was merely reading comments and when one poster offered evidence consecutively that were other than the Bible, I asked him a question.
At that point you seemed to take exception to a phrase I used. I was curious why. I'm still not sure why.
As for my understanding of creation, I believe in a young earth and can go with anywhere from around 6 to 13 thousand years depending on how generations are figured.

 

[CS1]

I don't take anything personally and I'm glad you are not either.
I haven't offered a position on creation. I was merely reading comments and when one poster offered evidence consecutively that were other than the Bible, I asked him a question.
At that point you seemed to take exception to a phrase I used. I was curious why. I'm still not sure why.
As for my understanding of creation, I believe in a young earth and can go with anywhere from around 6 to 13 thousand years depending on how generations are figured.

Are you referring to the " Extra-biblical" I have taken issue with? it has been my experience with that term to also be synonymous with removing the word of God.

I agree with your opinion anywhere from 6 to 13 thousand years. We do not know. I think and hold to the truth that Moses would not be able to record all of the things God did in creation because there would not be enough writers to do so.


I think the reason why Moses Wrote: " In the Beginning God". is not to draw or take away how much time God created all but to establish GOD did it and that HE is Eternal.

 

[Cameron143]

Are you referring to the " Extra-biblical" I have taken issue with? it has been my experience with that term to also be synonymous with removing the word of God.

I agree with your opinion anywhere from 6 to 13 thousand years. We do not know. I think and hold to the truth that Moses would not be able to record all of the things God did in creation because there would not be enough writers to do so.


I think the reason why Moses Wrote: " In the Beginning God". is not to draw or take away how much time God created all but to establish GOD did it and that HE is Eternal.

I think God left some things untold also because it is the glory of God to conceal a thing and the honor of kings to search out a matter.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Epistle of Barnabas on the six days

Further, also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, And sanctify the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart. Exodus 20:8; Deuteronomy 5:12 And He says in another place, If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them. Jeremiah 17:24-25 The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it. Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, He finished in six days. This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifies, saying, Behold, today will be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. And He rested on the seventh day. This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.

Amen!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Alot of your material is extra biblical. Does this not give you pause?

what you don't understand, much of what he posting is from the Church Fathers, more specifically, the Apostle John's personal Disciples and ones who were pastors over the 7 Churches of Asia Minor when John was Bishop at Ephesus overseeing all 7 Churches....just like He [JOHN] was commanded to do in the first TWO Chapters of Revelation...correct the 7 Churches errors.

What he is saying is legit and what John, the Apostle, would have been teaching to others.

 

[Cameron143]

what you don't understand, much of what he posting is from the Church Fathers, more specifically, the Apostle John's personal Disciples and ones who were pastors over the 7 Churches of Asia Minor when John was Bishop at Ephesus overseeing all 7 Churches....just like He [JOHN] was commanded to do in the first TWO Chapters of Revelation...correct the 7 Churches errors.

What he is saying is legit and what John, the Apostle, would have been teaching to others.

I understand. But I would apply the same principle to the Apostle John. Whatever he may have taught that isn't recorded in the bible are simply his words. And you suppose these things are taught by him. Is this claim made in writings or presumed on your part? I'm not saying other sources are or are not sound and useful. But they aren't scripture and are written of men. And I've yet to find any man who understands everything.

 

[CS1]

I think God left some things untold also because it is the glory of God to conceal a thing and the honor of kings to search out a matter.

well, Jesus is that King Not me

 

[Cameron143]

well, Jesus is that King Not me

He has made us kings and priests.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I understand. But I would apply the same principle to the Apostle John. Whatever he may have taught that isn't recorded in the bible are simply his words. And you suppose these things are taught by him. Is this claim made in writings or presumed on your part? I'm not saying other sources are or are not sound and useful. But they aren't scripture and are written of men. And I've yet to find any man who understands everything.

here is something John did write in his Gospel: 25 Now, there are many other things that Jesus did. If they were all written down one by one, I suppose that the whole world could not hold the books that would be written.

What if John taught his Disciples some of these things [John did not write down in his Gospel] but know they are from Jesus, so from God Himself?
and we are getting this information from reading the Disciples of John?

 

[CS1]

He has made us kings and priests.

Yes, unto we rule and serve at the same time, all is done for HIM. Him, we are made not for ourselves.

 

[Cameron143]

here is something John did write in his Gospel: 25 Now, there are many other things that Jesus did. If they were all written down one by one, I suppose that the whole world could not hold the books that would be written.

What if John taught his Disciples some of these things [John did not write down in his Gospel] but know they are from Jesus, so from God Himself?
and we are getting this information from reading the Disciples of John?

The fact that you start with what if leaves us where we started.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The fact that you start with what if leaves us where we started.

that's the issue, those Disciples of John writing their own letters are only doing as John taught them, who was taught by Jesus. I don't care that the RCC demons voted this to be what it is known as today, i know what John's Disciples wrote is 100% fact and aligns with the Apostle John, who aligns with JESUS.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes, unto we rule and serve at the same time, all is done for HIM. Him, we are made not for ourselves.

Ok. We can still search out a matter.

 

[Cameron143]

that's the issue, those Disciples of John writing their own letters are only doing as John taught them, who was taught by Jesus. I don't care that the RCC demons voted this to be what it is known as today, i know what John's Disciples wrote is 100% fact and aligns with the Apostle John.

It only matters if it aligns with scripture. I'm not making a judgment on the writings. I haven't read them. But the only stock I would put in any writings is to the extent they agree with scripture. The author is immaterial to me.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

It only matters if it aligns with scripture. I'm not making a judgment on the writings. I haven't read them. But the only stock I would put in any writings is to the extent they agree with scripture. The author is immaterial to me.

you read some of the specific paragraphs and can see they are backed with actual Scripture from the Bible.

if Polycarp, who preached as a Pastor for 1 of the 7 Churches of Asia Minor, and was a part of obeying Jesus in Revelation Chapters 1 and 2 by following John's guidance, so, when we read Revelation Chapters 1 and 2, we know we are reading about Polycarp, Hyppolytus, Ignatius, Papias, Apostle John preaching and correcting the SINS of these Churches. Whenever they write on a specific topic, their WORD is a TRILLION times TRUER than Charles Spurgeon. and some members here think Charles Spurgeon is the bees knees.

Not me, Polycarp, would run circles backwards, blind folded, with shoes tied in knots around Charles Spurgeon in Biblical TRUTHS.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Disagree there. Rightly interpreted, Adam was created about 11,000 BC.

Yup. Still a YEC theory with a different spin. All God's chilluns got "spins".

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

God used Apostle John and his hand picked Disciples to Correct the 7 Churches of Asia Minor!
Those boys word is Gospel!!

Polycarp, Hyppolytus, Ignatius, Papias, Apostle John

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

these boys took on the nicolatians and demon possessed and False Doctrines inside the church body.

they are like God's butt whooping squad.

 

[CS1]

Ok. We can still search out a matter.

yed we do, but all cannot be fully know

 

[Fundaamental]

When you think about it, the earth is a grain of sand compared to the foundations

The bible clearly suggest the foundations will consume earth.
Scripture clearly suggests the foundations are a separate creation and eternal.

You have to the wonder Just how much foundation is needed to consume the amount of earth that we have around the world.

On this basis wouldnt it be more important to understand how old the foundations are.