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If anyone disagrees --

Is the US somehow excluded from these verses?

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

I don't want to hear slanted histories that push one agenda or another. Let's talk about the US today. Does the US love the children of God, does the US love those who are born again and walk in the faith of Jesus Christ? We can see the hate in other countries, we see it in Canada, and Australia, and Europe, and of course the Islamic countries and the communist countries. Is the US somehow immune from this hate?

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Does "all the kingdoms of the world" include the US?

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

The FreeMasons worship Satan, the reason they always have a white and black checkerboard floor is because you can be evil like Stalin or appear "good" like Roosevelt. Both can be Freemasons. This is how Satan deceives the whole world.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

If the US is different and they don't hate the word of God why is it forbidden to be taught in the schools? They teach religious texts from Buddhism and Islam in the US public schools, but you can't teach the Bible or you will get fired. You can't speak the name of Jesus or you will get fired. You can mention Mohammed (as long as you are respectful) and you can refer to Buddha, but not to Jesus.

John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

Do you think this excludes the US?

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

If the Lord's kingdom is not of this world then it is not of this world, and that includes the US.

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

There is no room in this post but the US will be judged just as Babylon was judged and just as Sodom and Gomorrah were judged.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Clearly the law condemns the US. Does anyone really think that it didn't condemn the US back in 1776 when slavery was legal or that it didn't condemn the US in the 1800s when we were killing native Americans and breaking treaties and robbing them blind? Or that it didn't condemn the US for false flag events of the last 100 years and the CIA (called the Cocaine Importing Agency by many around the world)? How about condemning the US for our multinational corporations that have created a vaccine for the whole world?

1Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Do christians realize how offensive it is to 95% of the world to portray the US as a "christian nation"? They see the things that are done in this nation and they are far more shocked, they are not Christian and yet they would never do the things that they see on TV and in the movies.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

The children of disobedience describes the US, of course the US is part of the world and walks according to the prince of the power of the air.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

The US is filled with idol worship, the sports stadiums are cathedrals to these idols. All the logos and names of these companies are like Babylon building the tower of Babel with the name of an idol on every brick.

2Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The US is filled with the corruption that is in the world through lust. Judge a tree by its fruits.

2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Be warned. Christian nationalism is simply becoming entangled in the pollutions of the world.

1John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

We are ambassadors of the Kingdom of the heavens, the things of this world are passing away and that includes the US.

1John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
We were talking about the nation "never" being a Christian nation. That's how this started. Much of your info about America's founders is distorted. That is the result of Marxists / "progressives" attempting to get us to doubt our founding principles and become discontent with our society. I believed some of that nonsense as well. I remember in college it being 'common knowledge' that the founders were not Christians, but deists. While you can argue that a small percentage of them were, even deism back then had a different definition than it has today.

Of course they weren't perfect Christian men. Paul was not a perfect Christian man. But, we regard him as possibly the greatest Christian we know of. America's founders were largely Christians, not at all deists in any sense -- truly historical revisionism. Ben Franklin, not seemingly the most spiritual among them, led the nation to seek God's wisdom when they were arriving at an impasse in developing our constitution. Events following would seem to indicate that his prayers were answered.

We've allowed the progressives to distort our history, and too many Christians have bitten into that lying fruit. They want socialism to be the religion that supplants Christianity. Obviously they targeted Christianity because it was the main influencer of our society 100+ years ago.

The speeches these men made, the letters they wrote, never seem to indicate any occultism or deism -- at least the stuff I've read. What they do promote is an adherence to "religion", which in 18th century-speak was Christianity (hence the distorted interpretations of our first amendment today).

We might be witnessing the end of America, or another great chapter in our history that will see a great revival, on all levels. We cannot know, so prayers on our parts are in order. Thus, I am seeking God for a restoration of America, possibly led by another great awakening within the Church. In my prayers, I am asking for things to go so far as to allow the Bible to be taught in public schools again. I believe in parts of Texas this has been re-admitted. It's a bold prayer, but it only takes a few calories and minutes to utter it.
 
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And 200 years ago we were legally murdering Native americans by the box lot because we "needed their land", and legally murdering Black folk because they weren't even "Human beings" - just anomals to own. I had a Baptist in Alabama 40 years ago ask me if I could PROVE Biblically that a N***er had a "Soul". Of course you can't "Prove" anything to that kind of fool.
We "backslid" centuries ago. Nowadays we Murder our Babes as "Birth control", because we don't want to deal with 'em.

Some "Christian nation we've always been!!!

Fine brave speeches about our National GLORY and we can't even hold an "election" that anybody trusts any more.
We were. But no human entity is ever perfect -- on this side of things. And, what you ignore, is that the founders wanted to undo slavery. They failed, but that was not because they weren't trying to accomplish it. They also wanted peaceful relations with the Indians.

What should be remembered about America is not only that we had slaves -- slavery was common in most societies throughout history. But, that we actually repented of it and undid it.
 

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HELLO, Good morning.if you take a look at TBN American hidden history, by david barton about the consitution, todays history books in schools leave out a lot of facts about thoughs men, if you go and read there letters to one to an other you will see they talk about Jesus and faith and prayer, its all there,
A lot of that went on when the King was crowned, and we all know it means NOTHING. It's just "Ceremony" and hot air.
 

ZNP

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We were talking about the nation "never" being a Christian nation. That's how this started. Much of your info about America's founders is distorted. That is the result of Marxists / "progressives" attempting to get us to doubt our founding principles and become discontent with our society. I believed some of that nonsense as well. I remember in college it being 'common knowledge' that the founders were not Christians, but deists. While you can argue that a small percentage of them were, even deism back then had a different definition than it has today.

Of course they weren't perfect Christian men. Paul was not a perfect Christian man. But, we regard him as possibly the greatest Christian we know of. America's founders were largely Christians, not at all deists in any sense -- truly historical revisionism. Ben Franklin, not seemingly the most spiritual among them, led the nation to seek God's wisdom when they were arriving at an impasse in developing our constitution. Events following would seem to indicate that his prayers were answered.

We've allowed the progressives to distort our history, and too many Christians have bitten into that lying fruit. They want socialism to be the religion that supplants Christianity. Obviously they targeted Christianity because it was the main influencer of our society 100+ years ago.

The speeches these men made, the letters they wrote, never seem to indicate any occultism or deism -- at least the stuff I've read. What they do promote is an adherence to "religion", which in 18th century-speak was Christianity (hence the distorted interpretations of our first amendment today).

We might be witnessing the end of America, or another great chapter in our history that will see a great revival, on all levels. We cannot know, so prayers on our parts are in order. Thus, I am seeking God for a restoration of America, possibly led by another great awakening within the Church. In my prayers, I am asking for things to go so far as to allow the Bible to be taught in public schools again. I believe in parts of Texas this has been re-admitted. It's a bold prayer, but it only takes a few calories and minutes to utter it.
There are some dangerous and erroneous doctrines and calling the US a "Christian nation" is confusion. So define what that means? Was it ever part of our constitution that we were Christian?

Every nation is founded on "Biblical principles". In what country is it legal to murder or steal? That is way too general. Everyone agrees with the golden rule. If you want to say we were founded on "Christian" principles as being unique from others then were we founded on the principle that Jesus is the only way? No. Were we founded on the principle that you must believe and be baptized to be saved?

I have said repeatedly we have been influence by men of faith, but that is a very long stretch from calling us a "Christian nation".

The church is founded on Christian principles and represents a "Christian nation". Calling the US a Christian nation at any time in our history is an affront to the Bible.

A christian is one who expresses and represents Jesus Christ on earth. How can unbelievers express and represent Jesus Christ?
 

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this is true, I think the reasons why some of these kind of left wings presidents got into office was because a lot of Christians were back sliders, thats why God allowed that, but when things started going really bad, they woke up, and started walking in there calling again, as for Brother Trump his just doing what he's called to do, like every one else, we need to stay focus on Jesus and the word,
 

ZNP

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this is true, I think the reasons why some of these kind of left wings presidents got into office was because a lot of Christians were back sliders, thats why God allowed that, but when things started going really bad, they woke up, and started walking in there calling again, as for Brother Trump his just doing what he's called to do, like every one else, we need to stay focus on Jesus and the word,
The only reference to a "christian nation" in the New Testament is Pergamum, they married the world and it is a very negative thing.

The covenant God made with human government is Noah's covenant that requires they treat murder seriously and do everything in their power to find and prosecute killers.

Revelation 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
 

proutled

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There are some dangerous and erroneous doctrines and calling the US a "Christian nation" is confusion. So define what that means? Was it ever part of our constitution that we were Christian?

Every nation is founded on "Biblical principles". In what country is it legal to murder or steal? That is way too general. Everyone agrees with the golden rule. If you want to say we were founded on "Christian" principles as being unique from others then were we founded on the principle that Jesus is the only way? No. Were we founded on the principle that you must believe and be baptized to be saved?

I have said repeatedly we have been influence by men of faith, but that is a very long stretch from calling us a "Christian nation".

The church is founded on Christian principles and represents a "Christian nation". Calling the US a Christian nation at any time in our history is an affront to the Bible.

A christian is one who expresses and represents Jesus Christ on earth. How can unbelievers express and represent Jesus Christ?
please see TBN AMERICAN HIDDEN HISTORY, BY David Barton , look up about the constitution, he goes over the real kind of men they were, please seek the truth, its worth the homework,
 

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There are some dangerous and erroneous doctrines and calling the US a "Christian nation" is confusion. So define what that means? Was it ever part of our constitution that we were Christian?

Every nation is founded on "Biblical principles". In what country is it legal to murder or steal? That is way too general. Everyone agrees with the golden rule. If you want to say we were founded on "Christian" principles as being unique from others then were we founded on the principle that Jesus is the only way? No. Were we founded on the principle that you must believe and be baptized to be saved?

I have said repeatedly we have been influence by men of faith, but that is a very long stretch from calling us a "Christian nation".

The church is founded on Christian principles and represents a "Christian nation". Calling the US a Christian nation at any time in our history is an affront to the Bible.

A christian is one who expresses and represents Jesus Christ on earth. How can unbelievers express and represent Jesus Christ?
at one time, america had a large majority Christian population.
so, in that sense, it could have been called a Christian nation.

but. those days are gone. a poll on college kids in my state ( georiga, in the " Bible belt") revealed that about half of them do not identify with any religion.....

so, the country was founded on Christian values, it is not a " Christian nation."
 

ZNP

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please see TBN AMERICAN HIDDEN HISTORY, BY David Barton , look up about the constitution, he goes over the real kind of men they were, please seek the truth, its worth the homework,
I watched the whole thing, how do you all not hear what I am saying? Just because there is a godly man who expresses Jesus and has a powerful testimony that is a positive influence on others does not make the US a "Christian" nation. Are we an Islamic nation? Are we a Jewish nation? How about a Buddhist nation? We can't be all of these, and what would be the basis to say we are Christian and none of the others? There is nothing in the constitution that requires an elected official to be a born again Christian, nor is there anything in the constitution that states that Jesus is Lord of this country. Therefore, unlike the church, you cannot say it is a Christian nation. Unbelievers do not have the honor of representing Jesus Christ and speaking for Him. I am not going to let the sins of the CIA or of Joe Biden or Barak Obama or Bill Clinton be ascribed to Jesus Christ.
 

ZNP

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at one time, america had a large majority Christian population.
so, in that sense, it could have been called a Christian nation.

but. those days are gone. a poll on college kids in my state ( georiga, in the " Bible belt") revealed that about half of them do not identify with any religion.....

so, the country was founded on Christian values, it is not a " Christian nation."
I understand that "Christians" were the major religion at one point, but there is nothing in the constitution that would designate this a "Christian" nation, there is no requirement for anyone to be a Christian to get citizenship or to be elected as a representative. Also what should be clear to all by now is just because someone calls themself a Christian doesn't mean they are, you judge a tree by its fruit.

From day 1 of the US becoming an independent nation the fruit was not Christian.

There are Islamic nations and they have Sharia law and for them it is very appropriate to call them Islamic nations because if you are not a moslem you are a second class citizen and you must follow Islamic law.

So it is very misleading to say that the US is a "Christian" nation because none of that is true of the US.

These kind of doctrines lead to Christian nationalism. Our citizenship is in the heavens, not with the US. We are ambassadors of Christ, not salesmen of the American way.
 
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There are some dangerous and erroneous doctrines and calling the US a "Christian nation" is confusion. So define what that means? Was it ever part of our constitution that we were Christian?

Every nation is founded on "Biblical principles". In what country is it legal to murder or steal? That is way too general. Everyone agrees with the golden rule. If you want to say we were founded on "Christian" principles as being unique from others then were we founded on the principle that Jesus is the only way? No. Were we founded on the principle that you must believe and be baptized to be saved?

I have said repeatedly we have been influence by men of faith, but that is a very long stretch from calling us a "Christian nation".

The church is founded on Christian principles and represents a "Christian nation". Calling the US a Christian nation at any time in our history is an affront to the Bible.

A christian is one who expresses and represents Jesus Christ on earth. How can unbelievers express and represent Jesus Christ?
Okay... I guess it depends on how you define that term, "Christian nation". I would think of the country as a Christian nation if the majority of its citizens were born again, and its policies were also aligned with Biblical directives and truth. I don't believe it has to be a theocracy, or have 100% of its population saved, to be a Christian country. Some of the men of that era would probably agree with that statement, like Joseph Story, and a few others.

Was it ever a theocracy? Actually, in certain localities, you could argue that it was. But, not on a national / federal level.
 
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Gojira

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The ice cream at coney island and all the nice things before it became a crime ridden place with no hope in sight.
You know, under Giuliani and later, Bloomberg, that area started to get cleaned up. I wonder if it's gotten bad again under the enlightened progressive leadership the idiot residents keep voting in.
 

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hello good morning, its time to take this country back, lets keep praying for MR Trump and his family, and pray for both sides of the Government, and don't for get Israel, and stay in the word, and God Bless America,
 

ZNP

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Okay... I guess it depends on how you define that term, "Christian nation". I would think of the country as a Christian nation if the majority of its citizens were born again, and its policies were also aligned with Biblical directives and truth. I don't believe it has to be a theocracy, or have 100% of its population saved, to be a Christian country. Some of the men of that era would probably agree with that statement, like Joseph Story, and a few others.

Was it ever a theocracy? Actually, in certain localities, you could argue that it was. But, not on a national / federal level.
Certainly, Utah is the closest that we come but also parts of Pennsylvania. Do you consider Mormons to be Christians? I don't.
 

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Hey guys, I know with the media and the tv movie, and our culture, that not everyone is a real Christion but maybe this is one of the reasons why we are going though all of this, to many people sitting on the fence, not doing anything, or people calling them selfs Christions and not really believing, I guess its time we will know who walks the walk, not just talk the talk, ok so keep praying stay in the word, and people are waking up, people are standing up, and remember, we are in revival. and Jesus is lord,
 

ZNP

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Hey guys, I know with the media and the tv movie, and our culture, that not everyone is a real Christion but maybe this is one of the reasons why we are going though all of this, to many people sitting on the fence, not doing anything, or people calling them selfs Christions and not really believing, I guess its time we will know who walks the walk, not just talk the talk, ok so keep praying stay in the word, and people are waking up, people are standing up, and remember, we are in revival. and Jesus is lord,
There is a very simple test to see if you are a genuine believer in Jesus. Recently Harari said that AI could write a new Bible and we had AI give a sermon at a Lutheran church in Germany. If either of those events/suggestions sounds appealing to you then I would question your faith in the Lord Jesus.
 

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You know, under Giuliani and later, Bloomberg, that area started to get cleaned up. I wonder if it's gotten bad again under the enlightened progressive leadership the idiot residents keep voting in.
It's horrible now, the last time i was in NYC was in 2015 and it was so much different from the NYC of the early and late 90s.
Now, if you look at the daily news in NYC, there's random people or tourists getting shot, pushed in the trains, robbed or attacked with serious injuries.
When you walk over there you have to watch your back basically from any potential attack and you need to have situational awareness.
 

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Pray for MR Trump and his family, this is the time, for your voice to be herd, we must stand together, as the body of Christ, then watch Gods hand on Mr trump, and God Bless America. He will President again,
Always.. and those in power :) Those over us..
 
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Gojira

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Certainly, Utah is the closest that we come but also parts of Pennsylvania. Do you consider Mormons to be Christians? I don't.
Not at all.