Does Hell Exist?

[Magenta]

Where do they get the life to live forever?

Someone here (yes, a Christian, I assume) once said that Satan
gives the dead life ever after so they can be tormented .

Scripture identifies God as the author and giver of life, not Satan.
Satan comes only to steal, kill and destroy.
Jesus came that we may have life, and have it in all its fullness.

 

[CS1]

Not from the study I've done.

God is love, and God is just.

To burn in hell for ever or even 100 year when you only lived for 70 years is not just or loving.

Perish means Perish.

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Does the Bible teach that no one perishes?

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.....

All life comes from God and those not saved will die, perish, come to their end or be destroyed.

The God I know will not keep the unsaved alive to suffer and suffer and suffer for ever.

that is a human opinion and rational.

The word of God says :

Hebrew 2:3
" How shall we escape IF we neglect so great a salvation,"

The Living God gave up HIS only son so you and I would not have to spend eternity in a place that was not prepared for men and women.

Then one has the audacity to say or qestion the love of God when one has been called to salvation and slaps the hand of GOD AWAY AND SUGGEST and rejects it and then say he is NOT Loving because you end up in a place you did not have to go?

Completely prideful comment and unbiblical. God is just in all he does. God was just in allowing HIS son to die for those who did not deserve it. You would not die for a sinner maybe your loved one but nobody is dying for those who are sinners.

 

[CS1]

Scripture identifies fear of death as the reason for man's bondage to sin.

So this idea that death is "nothing to fear" goes against Scripture.

Still, many hold it in ignorance. Just like many believe the soul of man is immortal even though Scripture
explicitly states that God alone is immortal. Taken together, Scripture teaches that life is in Jesus Christ
alone, and only those who by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood attain to life ever after.

interesting perspective.


In scripture, God is the giver of eternal life because HE is Eternal. Jesus has given those who believe in His name the power to become the sons of God Perfect Love casts out all fear. And we have not been given a spirit of fear but of Power, love, and a healthy mind

Jesus said : John 5:28-29

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Both are eternal.

 

[Magenta]

interesting perspective.


In scripture, God is the giver of eternal life because HE is Eternal. Jesus has given those who believe in His name the power to become the sons of God Perfect Love casts out all fear. And we have not been given a spirit of fear but of Power, love, and a healthy mind

Jesus said : John 5:28-29

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Both are eternal.

Why do you call it an interesting perspective when it is Scripture? .

And, there are people here who argue that the soul of man is immortal.

Doesn't seem to matter to them that Scripture says otherwise.

I do not see the resurrection of condemnation as eternal life.

Many many verses say they perish, or are destroyed.

And many of those verses are juxtaposed against what the righteous (through Christ) receive.

So they are not speaking about the first death.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Genesis 2:15 The LORD God took the man and placed him in the garden of Eden to work it and watch over it.

As I already said it would require LITTLE OR NO WORK, since it was planned by God for the enjoyment of Adam and Eve. Keep in mind that there would be no weeds, thorns, thistles, or any kind of infestations (pests or harmful microorganisms) to worry about. That is also why God did (and would) spend time in Eden with those two to have fellowship with them. It was more than ideal, and that is why Paradise is now in heaven. But that is very different from what Adam and humanity faced after the Fall.

 

[Magenta]

As I already said it would require LITTLE OR NO WORK, since it was planned by God for the enjoyment of Adam and Eve. Keep in mind that there would be no weeds, thorns, thistles, or any kind of infestations (pests or harmful microorganisms) to worry about. That is also why God did (and would) spend time in Eden with those two to have fellowship with them. It was more than ideal, and that is why Paradise is now in heaven. But that is very different from what Adam and humanity faced after the Fall.

Saying it required no work does not agree with Scripture.

We should not be ignoring what is actually in the Bible

 

[cv5]

How could Adam (and by extension the human race) have not been cursed? Imagine the come down from a gorgeous Garden of Eden, which required little or no work, and was full of the best of plants, fruits, vegetables, herbs, etc. and watered by several rivers, to a soil full of thorns, and thistles, and weeds, and all kinds of infestations, where mankind had to labor daily with the sweat of his brow (and in sorrow) in order to survive?

We should not be ignoring what is actually in the Bible: And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Gen 3:17-19)

Show me the curse upon Adam. It is not there. This because Adam (and Eve) sincerely confessed, plead for mercy (knowing the merciful God) and were forgiven and redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. On the other hand, the serpent (and Cain) did NOT confess, and chose eternal rebellion.

Key phrase: "cursed is the ground for thy sake"
You need to figure that one out for starters.

Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Gen 5:29
And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

 

[cv5]

How could Adam (and by extension the human race) have not been cursed? Imagine the come down from a gorgeous Garden of Eden, which required little or no work, and was full of the best of plants, fruits, vegetables, herbs, etc. and watered by several rivers, to a soil full of thorns, and thistles, and weeds, and all kinds of infestations, where mankind had to labor daily with the sweat of his brow (and in sorrow) in order to survive?

We should not be ignoring what is actually in the Bible: And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Gen 3:17-19)

Gen 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it (THE EARTH) bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread (FROM THE CURSED EARTH), till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Gen 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it (THE EARTH) bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread (FROM THE CURSED EARTH), till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

As God [[only made]] Adam's work harder, He made Cain's work as a Farmer, Impossible.

10 Then the Lord said, “Why have you done this terrible thing? Your brother's blood is crying out to me from the ground, like a voice calling for revenge.
11 You are placed under a curse and can no longer farm the soil. It has soaked up your brother's blood as if it had opened its mouth to receive it when you killed him.
12 If you try to grow crops, the soil will not produce anything; you will be a homeless wanderer on the earth.”

Each time a Sin happened and progressed in more evil, the Earth, is Cursed Greater.

Definitely why Peter explains the Earth will be Purified in the Fire, like we are compared to fine brass in the fire.

I wonder how many Curses the Earth is holding right now?

 

[cv5]

Why do you call it an interesting perspective when it is Scripture? .

And, there are people here who argue that the soul of man is immortal.

Doesn't seem to matter to them that Scripture says otherwise.

I do not see the resurrection of condemnation as eternal life.

Many many verses say they perish, or are destroyed.

And many of those verses are juxtaposed against what the righteous (through Christ) receive.

So they are not speaking about the first death.

Your theory is not simply weak, Scripture speaks directly against that heresy time and time again, pointedly, unequivocally, and as a intentional warning to the unsaved.

Man's spirit IS eternal, because that's the way God has planned and programmed the initial conditions of our creation and eternal destiny.

Furthermore, the unfallen Adam was UNDOUBLTELY eternal and would have lived eternally.
And the second tree of Eden devastates your theory......if you actually understood why.

Luk 12:4
And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

Luk 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

 

[VARob]

This because Adam (and Eve) sincerely confessed, plead for mercy (knowing the merciful God) and were forgiven and redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb.

Where is that in the Bible?

I'm not saying Adam and Eve were not saved (I don't know..), but can you provide a scripture that says they "sincerely confessed," "plead for mercy," and "were forgiven and redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb"?

 

[VARob]

Your theory is not simply weak, Scripture speaks directly against that heresy time and time again, pointedly, unequivocally, and as a intentional warning to the unsaved.

Man's spirit IS eternal, because that's the way God has planned and programmed the initial conditions of our creation and eternal destiny.

Furthermore, the unfallen Adam was UNDOUBLTELY eternal and would have lived eternally.
And the second tree of Eden devastates your theory......if you actually understood why.

Luk 12:4
And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

Luk 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

You frequently speak with great swelling words of authority, as though there is no possible way you could be wrong.

The Bible says that the wages of sin is death. That's what I believe.

 

[cv5]

You frequently speak with great swelling words of authority, as though there is no possible way you could be wrong.

The Bible says that the wages of sin is death. That's what I believe.

You rarely speak with great swelling words OR authority, because you possess neither. Nor the requisite knowledge to do so.

So I bid you good day.

And I am sincerely sorry to know of your state of stygian ignorance and recalcitrant refusal to learn the truths that the Bible by the Holy Ghost proclaims.

 

[VARob]

You rarely speak with great swelling words OR authority, because you possess neither. Nor the requisite knowledge to do so.

So I bid you good day.

And I am sincerely sorry to know of your state of stygian ignorance and recalcitrant refusal to learn the truths that the Bible by the Holy Ghost proclaims.

..at least you have a decent vocabulary. That's something.

Good day.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You frequently speak with great swelling words of authority, as though there is no possible way you could be wrong.

and probably plays a good hand at Texas Hold 'em

 

[Cameron143]

and probably plays a good hand at Texas Hold 'em

You got to know when to hold them,
Know when to fold them...

If more people had just followed Kenny Rogers advice.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

and probably plays a good hand at Texas Hold 'em

that's probably offensive, and forgive me!

I should have said, "plays a [[GREAT]] hand."

 

[Nehemiah6]

This because Adam (and Eve) sincerely confessed,

They did not sincerely confess at all. They both passed the buck. Adam blamed God and Eve, and Eve blamed the serpent: And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me [BLAMED GOD], she gave me of the tree [BLAMED EVE], and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me [BLAMED THE SERPENT], and I did eat.

I am really surprised that you are presenting unfounded opinions instead of sticking with the text. And I already showed the difference of the conditions before and after the Fall. In fact you simply quoted what I had already quoted, so what was the purpose?

 

[Magenta]

Man's spirit IS eternal, because that's the way God has planned and programmed the initial conditions of our creation and eternal destiny.

Furthermore, the unfallen Adam was UNDOUBLTELY eternal and would have lived eternally.
And the second tree of Eden devastates your theory......if you actually understood why.

The Tree of Life actually devastates your un-Biblical theory, and you fail to understand that at all. You prefer to
add to Scripture and promote the lie of Satan at the heart of the fall of man and corruption of all creation. In all
good conscience, I cannot do that. There are a plethora of verses, from the beginning of the Bible to the end, that
state the end of wicked man is death, the wages of sin is death, that life ever after is attained solely by grace through
faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ. It is Christianity 101 but gets thrown over for Satan's lie time and time
and time again. I know you do not believe it. You have a parable which many refuse to accept is a parable, a few verses
from a highly symbolic book written in apocalyptic literature style, and a great deal of deception to counter a multitude
of verses that have shaped my conviction. I normally have you on ignore because of your tendency to bombastic speeches.

 

[cv5]

They did not sincerely confess at all. They both passed the buck. Adam blamed God and Eve, and Eve blamed the serpent: And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me [BLAMED GOD], she gave me of the tree [BLAMED EVE], and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me [BLAMED THE SERPENT], and I did eat.

I am really surprised that you are presenting unfounded opinions instead of sticking with the text. And I already showed the difference of the conditions before and after the Fall. In fact you simply quoted what I had already quoted, so what was the purpose?

Wrong. As in totally wrong.
You best hear Chronister's exegesis. If perchance you truly desire to rightly discharge your responsibilities to rightly divide the truth.

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