WHY ARE CHRISTIANS GIVING UP THEIR FAITH IN THE USA?
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We are warned from many places in The Word of God...especially in these times. The love of many will wax cold...I believe we are on the precipice of the harvest being ripe. We know that the “princes of the air” is moving fast as the time is short! It a time when it’s an ultimate choice of good and evil. “The Restrainer” is about to let go therefore there will be a separation of the sheep and the goats....many will be given over to a reprobate mind. It’s all in The Word! We must have every decision to walk in the Spirit....to walk in faith and not the flesh. The elites have made their choice and know how to influence the direction of the world....and they are serving Satan. From every angle....schools, entertainment, even in the churches. Jesus imparted the importance to not be deceived! The devil is not stupid! He knows his time is short.
I believe the great deception is on the brink! With the loneliness and selfish ways...thru economic collapse, black psychological operations, and the overwhelming troubles....it’s creating the path for anti christ. Let’s face it, you can’t be saved until your drowning. With war and rumors of war, earthquakes in diverse places, global catastrophic events....you will beg for a savior. But know Christ is the true savior...not aliens! It’s being setup to where people will be so devastated they will be desperate for a savior. These aliens and UFO crafts are fallen angels who will appear with the answer to all of our problems. And they will say that they created us. They will have answers and technology that will astonish and persway you from...The Truth, The Way and The Life. They already have given technological advances to the evil elites. Why do you think we have seen major advances in tech and science. Do you really think CERN is for believers benefit....A.I.....the global surveillance...even your smart phone. It’s coming folks...when FOX news starts disclosing alien craft...it’s close. It’s not taboo like it has been....it’s the great deception orchestrated by Satan and his dominions! And he will declare that he is god...the abomination of desolation.....and deceive millions by wonderful signs. Knowledge and discernment is power given by The Holy Spirit. This is the great falling away. We battle against not flesh...but spiritual wickedness in high places. It’s the beginning and will quickly come to present. Trust in no man...only Christ and pray for the eyes to see and the ears to see, in Jesus name!!!
I believe the great deception is on the brink! With the loneliness and selfish ways...thru economic collapse, black psychological operations, and the overwhelming troubles....it’s creating the path for anti christ. Let’s face it, you can’t be saved until your drowning. With war and rumors of war, earthquakes in diverse places, global catastrophic events....you will beg for a savior. But know Christ is the true savior...not aliens! It’s being setup to where people will be so devastated they will be desperate for a savior. These aliens and UFO crafts are fallen angels who will appear with the answer to all of our problems. And they will say that they created us. They will have answers and technology that will astonish and persway you from...The Truth, The Way and The Life. They already have given technological advances to the evil elites. Why do you think we have seen major advances in tech and science. Do you really think CERN is for believers benefit....A.I.....the global surveillance...even your smart phone. It’s coming folks...when FOX news starts disclosing alien craft...it’s close. It’s not taboo like it has been....it’s the great deception orchestrated by Satan and his dominions! And he will declare that he is god...the abomination of desolation.....and deceive millions by wonderful signs. Knowledge and discernment is power given by The Holy Spirit. This is the great falling away. We battle against not flesh...but spiritual wickedness in high places. It’s the beginning and will quickly come to present. Trust in no man...only Christ and pray for the eyes to see and the ears to see, in Jesus name!!!
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I only listened to a little over 10 minutes. And Spurgeon isn't our example. He was just a man.
Jesus taught truth and it set people free. Free people will live in a way that effects society and not fall prey to it.
I'm not against the message. It simply isn't the message a pastor should deliver in church.
Jesus taught truth and it set people free. Free people will live in a way that effects society and not fall prey to it.
I'm not against the message. It simply isn't the message a pastor should deliver in church.
The pastor's responsibility is to feed the flock. He is given the sacred care over people's souls. Souls are fed by verse by verse preaching and teaching...line upon line, precept upon precept.
This gentleman isn't doing that. He has a political agenda and has shrouded it in religion. This type of preaching may lead to political activism but it doesn't nourish the listener's soul.
He's a passionate speaker, but his message isn't Christ and Him crucified.
This gentleman isn't doing that. He has a political agenda and has shrouded it in religion. This type of preaching may lead to political activism but it doesn't nourish the listener's soul.
He's a passionate speaker, but his message isn't Christ and Him crucified.
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Ok, I’m trying to follow, so you don’t like topical sermons you like book and chapter.line by line I personally don’t feel it’s a deal breaker. Gods word still finds it’s way into the sermon. If you follow his other sermons you will find he does balance on this, he gets into book and chapter as well. So besides being personally offended by his preaching style. How do you reconcile that with?
“For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.”
Romans 13:4 NIV
When Gods governmental servants no longer are in support of God honoring government
Are we the Church body to be silent when atrocities like abortion and let perversions have their way? Are we to be passive or active? Up till the last hundred or so years it appears Americas Churches took quite an active role in being a voice of reason into government. Since they have now been rather non involved politically do ya think it might be linked to our decline? When we take God Out of the schools and out of the courts and stray from the laws that were established on biblical doctrine we seem to be getting the as you sow shall you reap in our government.
Was it right for Germanys churches to play the organs and music louder as train cars of Jews rolled by on their way to concentration camps so the Church didn’t have to hear the screaming of those in the box cars? - author Dietrich Bonhoeffer has some good stuff on that.
At what point does a person say enough and begin to intercede for the nation? Which might require us to speak up about the nations sins and call for national repentance.
“There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.”
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 NIV
“For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.”
Romans 13:4 NIV
When Gods governmental servants no longer are in support of God honoring government
Are we the Church body to be silent when atrocities like abortion and let perversions have their way? Are we to be passive or active? Up till the last hundred or so years it appears Americas Churches took quite an active role in being a voice of reason into government. Since they have now been rather non involved politically do ya think it might be linked to our decline? When we take God Out of the schools and out of the courts and stray from the laws that were established on biblical doctrine we seem to be getting the as you sow shall you reap in our government.
Was it right for Germanys churches to play the organs and music louder as train cars of Jews rolled by on their way to concentration camps so the Church didn’t have to hear the screaming of those in the box cars? - author Dietrich Bonhoeffer has some good stuff on that.
At what point does a person say enough and begin to intercede for the nation? Which might require us to speak up about the nations sins and call for national repentance.
“There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.”
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 NIV
I'm in no way offended by this preacher or any other.
What I have tried to do is show you what a shepherd's job entails. And that the way to the political reform to take place isn't by preaching reform but by preaching the gospel. This will produce a change in people's hearts and minds. Ultimately, it will produce a change in behavior. This behavior will produce reform.
What I'm suggesting to you is his method is wrong and he has abdicated his God given responsibility.
What I have tried to do is show you what a shepherd's job entails. And that the way to the political reform to take place isn't by preaching reform but by preaching the gospel. This will produce a change in people's hearts and minds. Ultimately, it will produce a change in behavior. This behavior will produce reform.
What I'm suggesting to you is his method is wrong and he has abdicated his God given responsibility.
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Did This passivity theory work for Germany? How long was the gospel preached in Munich before the Nazi government regime prevented churches from assembling publically? Did the German peoples hearts and minds change? When evil was allowed into their government and the church remained silent 6 million Jews were executed. How do you reconcile that? With what David says in the psalm? I would think that this concept of unrepentant sin happens not only personally but on a national scale as well.
“When I kept silent, my bones wasted away through my groaning all day long. For day and night your hand was heavy on me; my strength was sapped as in the heat of summer. Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord.” And you forgave the guilt of my sin. Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come to you.”
Psalms 32:3-5, 9 NIV
“When I kept silent, my bones wasted away through my groaning all day long. For day and night your hand was heavy on me; my strength was sapped as in the heat of summer. Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord.” And you forgave the guilt of my sin. Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come to you.”
Psalms 32:3-5, 9 NIV
Brother Arthur, there can be many reasons for this, but there is one thing all have in common as to their loss, they have all lost HOPE!! Faith is having hope but when feeling take the place of faith then there is no hope! (Rom 15:13) see how they go together brother?
One of the devil's greatest weapons is causing one to use there feeling and relay on self-preservation rather than having faith in God's Word which preserves one's hope and faith! For in self-there is no faith or hope, because they have chosen feeling in self over the real truth. Even God himself had the very same trait. as every human, and that is the very NEED TO BE NEEDED!
If the Lord Jesus had no need to be needed, then why would he hang with anyone else?? LOL This is just one area to consider, I know that this is not the only reason, but I do believe it is the very core of the reason. Blessing bro! Isolation and the feeling that no one understands you is one of the biggest lies out of the pit of hell, and many are entrapped in this deep darkness sad to say!
One of the devil's greatest weapons is causing one to use there feeling and relay on self-preservation rather than having faith in God's Word which preserves one's hope and faith! For in self-there is no faith or hope, because they have chosen feeling in self over the real truth. Even God himself had the very same trait. as every human, and that is the very NEED TO BE NEEDED!
If the Lord Jesus had no need to be needed, then why would he hang with anyone else?? LOL This is just one area to consider, I know that this is not the only reason, but I do believe it is the very core of the reason. Blessing bro! Isolation and the feeling that no one understands you is one of the biggest lies out of the pit of hell, and many are entrapped in this deep darkness sad to say!
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Granted yes I will give you that. It was a pretty elaborate way they came in and created propaganda. If enough ministers and pastors had got together and more actively spoke opposition against the nazis to other congregations that haven’t been infiltrated yet would that not have been a God honoring thing for those pastors to do? Warn the congregation of the coming issues? I’m not trying to be adversarial here. I’m just trying to gain clarity
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You seem to be conflating 2 things. I'm not against activism. I support Christian causes. All Christians should. But it isn't the calling of a pastor to preach social reform. He should preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Further, preaching against social ills will not rid society of those ills. It's a flawed plan.
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Can you give scripture to support your position? I’m trying to understand. Help me understand. Because by that logic this never should have happened in our colonial history.
https://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/24635