Do you think transgenders go to heaven?

[oyster67]

Satan has deceived so many about the facts. We invite them to come just as they are, that they may receive light.

 

[heartwashed]

Yes brother, but you and I understand the difference. The lost or new believers don't understand. We are here to help them mature in the faith. We catch em, God cleans em. It's not our job. Our job is to share the Good News. I just feel like lately we Christians think we are Savior and Holy Spirit and then wonder why people don't change. We need to start praying for the lost. We need to bring them in and let God change them. We cannot, they aren't hearing us. I catch em, He cleans them. Let's not get those to twisted and the cart before the horse. Just as I am, we use to sing it. We come to God broken sinners. Do we believe God is still in the saving business?

Just as I am, without one plea
But that Thy blood was shed for me
And that Thou bid'st me come to Thee
Oh, Lamb of God, I come, I come

Just as I am, though tossed about
With many a conflict, many a doubt
Fighting and fears within without
Oh, Lamb of God, I come, I come

Just as I am, Thou wilt receive
Wilt welcome, pardon, cleanse, relieve
Because Thy promise I believe
Oh, Lamb of God, I come, I come

What I pray for is not so much for the lost to be saved but for the saved to be made holy.

Then the lost won't have their excuse any longer, that there are too many hypocrites in the church; and they will come in by the thousands.

 

[oyster67]

Luke 5:31
“And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.”

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Of course he/she has a soul; and it can be saved.

I agree; let us pray for the salvation of that soul.

It is not going to happen unless she acknowledges her sin as being sin.

Not trying to be harsh, either.

Just declaring the facts.

I'm going to give you an example of what I mean. As a young man my uncle got in to drugs. He fell in with a bad crowd and no preaching, pleading or telling him he was in sin helped. But he had a praying mother. When everyone gave up on him, she prayed.

One night they were having a revival speaker in their church. The old preacher took a chair and sat it at the altar and said "someone is going to be saved here tonight". Now that was faith. My uncle got with his friends and they took drugs that night. Someone laced his drugs with a harder drug. He was out of his mind. He screamed and begged his friends to take him to the church but they didn't want to get in trouble. He was so bad they figured they would drop him off and take off. My uncle recounted it from here. " I was screaming, "I'm in hell, I'm in hell" and I saw the chair at the altar. I made a dash for it and the pastor said, " You are not in hell, you are in church and you are safe!" My grandfather rushed to that chair and that night my uncle was saved. Let God do His job, our job is to "catch em", let the Holy Spirit convict and God clean him. <3

 

[Snacker]

What's your problem with me Snacker? Why are you trying to get people to ignore me? Do you hate me that much?

I don’t hate you by any means; I simply don’t like your all too often aggressive tone when it’s usually unwarranted. Outside of that, I admire the strength of your faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[PennEd]

Yes brother, but you and I understand the difference. The lost or new believers don't understand. We are here to help them mature in the faith.

Completely agree. And I am no one to judge anybody.

I don't know enough about the gentleman you interacted with, but the fella in this thread insisted that not only was him living as woman NOT a sin, but also that God MADE him that way!

Again, if he wasn't claiming to be a born again child of God, he definitely must be dealt with differently. But God says through Paul THIS:

1 Corinthians 5:9-13

New King James Version

Immorality Must Be Judged
9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [a]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

 

[Eli1]

I don’t hate you by any means; I simply don’t like your all too often aggressive tone when it’s usually unwarranted. Outside of that, I admire the strength of your faith in Jesus Christ.

He’s a funny dude. I call him “Da Terminator” now cos in many other posts he says that he doesn’t care what others think of him.
He’s like an emotionless machine. Yet, here he cares about what you think apparently.
Many have pointed out his contradictions in the past but he can’t process them.

Da Terminator.

 

[hornetguy]

I'm just gonna say this and move on...
Many, MANY of you here need to learn how to discern a sincere "seeker" versus a troll, who is here only to stir the pot and create confusion and disagreement.
There are several red flags with posters that will show the true nature of their postings.
We could have a discussion about those flags, but we probably need to start a thread about them.

This one was a troll.

 

[Blain]

I have nothing but love for transgender people.

The reason why we are labeled as haters by these people of the world is because they feel hatred towards us...and they project their hatred onto us, psychologically.

I think that's horrible. Period

But there MUST be a difference between love and acceptance of sin.

And that's not what went on here.
This person CLAIMED to be a born again Christian, and although he thought it sinful to engage in homosexual acts, he did NOT think it was a sin to live as the opposite sex.

Several of us tried to in what I would say was cordial ways to explain why that was wrong.

He then accused us of being haters.

I mean just read the thread starting at his first post.

I don't know Jeanate that well and nuy from what I have seen which granted as hard as it is to read I was not able to to find the first post made by them but ue seems genuine in heart at least about seeking God. If he sees living as a transgender as not being a sin that doesn't mean he isn't saved plenty of saved people gave beliefs that will take time to learn from.

And I am wondering if perhaps it has something to do with the same kind of thing you have with people who are attracted to the same sex.

The argument of that of whether it is a choice or not and how they apparently choose to live in sin well my argument to that is can you choose to be attacted to the same sex?

No ever says yes and think about the struggle people like that or Jeanate have to go through, can you imagine being born with a stuggle of identity like that? I can only imagine if it were me I would be so confused wonder what is wrong with me and just to be told how I am a sinner because of something I have to deal that I never asked for.
You can tell them all day everyday that they are living in sin you can show them all the scripture you want they have had it all before heard it all before been attacked by it all before your not going to reach them by pointing out their flaws

You have to know how handle different people differently, you can't just speak to everyone in the same way hoping to reach them for someone like this it takes understanding and words to show that that that pointing out their flaws is not what we are about

Belive me there are many who struggle with such things and yet keep seeking after God and if you want to lead them to the truth well you lead them don't you? You don't point your finger to their sins your not going to get them to listen to you like that you lead them to the truth by being a shining example of God's spirit love patience and wisdom.

When they see something different than the normal christain treatment that is when they start being able to be reached

 

[heartwashed]

I'm going to give you an example of what I mean. As a young man my uncle got in to drugs. He fell in with a bad crowd and no preaching, pleading or telling him he was in sin helped. But he had a praying mother. When everyone gave up on him, she prayed.

One night they were having a revival speaker in their church. The old preacher took a chair and sat it at the altar and said "someone is going to be saved here tonight". Now that was faith. My uncle got with his friends and they took drugs that night. Someone laced his drugs with a harder drug. He was out of his mind. He screamed and begged his friends to take him to the church but they didn't want to get in trouble. He was so bad they figured they would drop him off and take off. My uncle recounted it from here. " I was screaming, "I'm in hell, I'm in hell" and I saw the chair at the altar. I made a dash for it and the pastor said, " You are not in hell, you are in church and you are safe!" My grandfather rushed to that chair and that night my uncle was saved. Let God do His job, our job is to "catch em", let the Holy Spirit convict and God clean him. <3

If your uncle didn't acknowledge that he was a sinner that night, then the preacher may have given him a false comfort.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I don’t hate you by any means; I simply don’t like your all too often aggressive tone when it’s usually unwarranted. Outside of that, I admire the strength of your faith in Jesus Christ.

Well, that's quite a different tone than you've been taking. I may say things that are unpopular; but if I have something to say to someone I say it to their face. What I don't do is slink around spreading malicious gossip and encouraging others ignore certain people. I was surprised when I looked at your profile and saw you're male. Honestly I thought you were probably a teenage girl.

 

[Magenta]

Good. Only take forward steps in obedience to God.
James 4:7 KJV
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Each time you resist the devil you will come out of the temptation triumphant in Christ. And into a larger place spiritually.
Keeping the right company will help.
Some Christians can be discouraging, but we are to run with patience after the Lord.
Hebrews 12:1 KJV
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

1 Peter 5:8 plus James 4:7

 

[heartwashed]

If he sees living as a transgender as not being a sin that doesn't mean he isn't saved

If we do not acknowledge sin as being sin, we are not saved; especially if we are committing that sin (1 John 1:8,9,10).

 

[heartwashed]

Belive me there are many who struggle with such things and yet keep seeking after God and if you want to lead them to the truth well you lead them don't you?

To lead them to the truth, it would be a mistake to water it down so that they will receive it. A watered down truth will not save anyone. In giving the people the truth, we need to give them the unadulterated truth; even though it may hurt.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Banned I see. Had a feeling that was comin'.

 

[oyster67]

I don't know Jeanate that well and nuy from what I have seen which granted as hard as it is to read I was not able to to find the first post made by them but ue seems genuine in heart at least about seeking God. If he sees living as a transgender as not being a sin that doesn't mean he isn't saved plenty of saved people gave beliefs that will take time to learn from.

And I am wondering if perhaps it has something to do with the same kind of thing you have with people who are attracted to the same sex.

The argument of that of whether it is a choice or not and how they apparently choose to live in sin well my argument to that is can you choose to be attacted to the same sex?

No ever says yes and think about the struggle people like that or Jeanate have to go through, can you imagine being born with a stuggle of identity like that? I can only imagine if it were me I would be so confused wonder what is wrong with me and just to be told how I am a sinner because of something I have to deal that I never asked for.
You can tell them all day everyday that they are living in sin you can show them all the scripture you want they have had it all before heard it all before been attacked by it all before your not going to reach them by pointing out their flaws

You have to know how handle different people differently, you can't just speak to everyone in the same way hoping to reach them for someone like this it takes understanding and words to show that that that pointing out their flaws is not what we are about

Belive me there are many who struggle with such things and yet keep seeking after God and if you want to lead them to the truth well you lead them don't you? You don't point your finger to their sins your not going to get them to listen to you like that you lead them to the truth by being a shining example of God's spirit love patience and wisdom.

When they see something different than the normal christain treatment that is when they start being able to be reached

Isaiah 42:3
“A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.”

 

[heartwashed]

Luke 5:31
“And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.”

Some who claim that they are saved are indeed sick. That is why my prayer for them is that they may be healed / made holy.

 

[Blain]

She obviously is not praying to be forgiven of something that she doesn't consider to be a sin.

Yeah i'm going to have to stop you right there. He said it wasn't a sin to him because he was born that way if you were born with homosexual attraction which you have no choice in as that is an actual genetic trait but you don't act on it is it having those desires that makes it or a sin or acting on it?

I believe this is what he was meaning and it makes sense if you understand that it isn't a choice to be born with something like that so your assumption without considering all this and considering he has already said he hopes God can forgive him says otherwise.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

What I pray for is not so much for the lost to be saved but for the saved to be made holy.

Then the lost won't have their excuse any longer, that there are too many hypocrites in the church; and they will come in by the thousands.

There will always be hypocrites in the church. I was in evangelism and our job is to point people to Christ. In personal interaction with people I always say "Christ is the example, that is who we follow. Not the preacher/priest, not other Christians, human beings will always, always let us down." I know some wonderful Christian people, but I don't follow them, I follow Christ, He is the guide even if everyone else fails.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

If your uncle didn't acknowledge that he was a sinner that night, then the preacher may have given him a false comfort.

The preacher did not give him false comfort. He was saved and went from sinner to saint that night.