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No, I didn't say that. We can be fully willing, but if the Spirit doesn't see fit for you to have a manifestation, you will not get it.
The Spirit gives the gifts as he sees fit.... remember the scripture... "distributing to each one individually just as He wills. "
the Spirit knows what the body needs.... the body does not need 150 eyes and no ears, or 12 feet and no arms.... and it does not need an arm trying to be an ear.
The Spirit gives the gifts as he sees fit.... remember the scripture... "distributing to each one individually just as He wills. "
the Spirit knows what the body needs.... the body does not need 150 eyes and no ears, or 12 feet and no arms.... and it does not need an arm trying to be an ear.
You're going to sit there & tell me how the early RCC is telling me the truth?!?
1Cor 13:8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
I could pull out the commentaries, but I don't think I'll waste any more time here with this
1Cor 13:8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
I could pull out the commentaries, but I don't think I'll waste any more time here with this
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With some manifestations of His power we can need to be about 70% restored in spirit and soul before we see it in a body, He is more concerned with our eternal being than the temporal, save it be a testament to Him.
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Speaking in tongues edifies each individual Christian (1 Cor 14:4). Every Christian needs edifying.
When a person speaks in tongues, he is giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17). We should all want to do that.
Every Christian has the gift of the Holy Spirit, and therefore has the ability to operate the manifestation of speaking in tongues. Tongues is not a “gift” that you have to beg or pray for. God isn’t going to possess you and make you speak in tongues. Christians need to learn what tongues is, understand that they can do it, learn why they should want to do it, learn how to do it, and not be afraid of it, which I’m convinced is the problem with many folks. They’re ignorant about tongues, and afraid of it, concerned that they might offend God or something. It’s a lot easier for them to be a cessationist…
When a person speaks in tongues, he is giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17). We should all want to do that.
Every Christian has the gift of the Holy Spirit, and therefore has the ability to operate the manifestation of speaking in tongues. Tongues is not a “gift” that you have to beg or pray for. God isn’t going to possess you and make you speak in tongues. Christians need to learn what tongues is, understand that they can do it, learn why they should want to do it, learn how to do it, and not be afraid of it, which I’m convinced is the problem with many folks. They’re ignorant about tongues, and afraid of it, concerned that they might offend God or something. It’s a lot easier for them to be a cessationist…
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I think people who believe the 9 Gifts have gone away in the here and now ---better read the Context of the Scripture ---because that is not what Paul is saying at all ------these Gifts will cease when completeness comes ----He is saying Love is Eternal -----the gifts of prophecy and tongues etc will no longer be needed and will cease when the the New Earth comes into play -----
1 Corinthians 13 Exp B
8 Love never ·ends [fails; falls short].
There are gifts of prophecy, but they will ·be ended [cease; pass away]. There are gifts of ·speaking in different languages [or ecstatic utterance; L tongues], but those gifts will ·stop [cease; fall silent]. There is the gift of knowledge, but it will ·come to an end [pass away; be set aside].
Notice here he says will stop ----Not they have stopped
9 ·The reason is that [For] ·our knowledge and our ability to prophesy are not perfect [L we know in part/imperfectly and we prophesy in part/incompletely].
10 But when ·perfection [the perfect; completeness; wholeness] comes, the ·things that are not perfect [partial] will ·end [pass away; be set aside].
Greek word for Perfection ---completeness
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5046 téleios (an adjective, derived from 5056 /télos, "consummated goal") – mature (consummated) from going through the necessary stages to reach the end-goal, i.e. developed into a consummating completion by fulfilling the necessary process (spiritual journey). See 5056 (telos).
[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]
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11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I ·stopped [set aside] those childish ways.
12 ·It is the same with us [L For…]. Now we see ·a dim reflection [obscurely; or indirectly], ·as if we were looking into a mirror [T through a glass darkly], but then we shall see ·clearly [L face to face]. Now I know only a part, but then I will know fully, as ·God has known me [L I am fully known].
13 So these three things ·continue forever [endure; remain]: faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of these is love.
NOTE:
I say ----No where in this Scripture is Paul saying that Tongues are non existence today -----he is saying they will pass away when completeness comes ----when we are in Heaven with God ----
This is from Bible Ref
Context Summary
First Corinthians 13:1–13 is one of the most loved and well-known passages in the Bible, but Paul places it after his teaching on the spiritual gifts for a specific reason. Some of the gifts may seem impressive, but if attempted without self-sacrificing love for others, they become meaningless, even destructive.
All Christians understand that at the end of time, when we live with God in person (Revelation 21:1–5), there will be no need for these gifts. They exist only in human history for a limited time and purpose.
God's love, though, and our reflection of it to each other, will go on endlessly.
1 Corinthians 13 Exp B
8 Love never ·ends [fails; falls short].
There are gifts of prophecy, but they will ·be ended [cease; pass away]. There are gifts of ·speaking in different languages [or ecstatic utterance; L tongues], but those gifts will ·stop [cease; fall silent]. There is the gift of knowledge, but it will ·come to an end [pass away; be set aside].
Notice here he says will stop ----Not they have stopped
9 ·The reason is that [For] ·our knowledge and our ability to prophesy are not perfect [L we know in part/imperfectly and we prophesy in part/incompletely].
10 But when ·perfection [the perfect; completeness; wholeness] comes, the ·things that are not perfect [partial] will ·end [pass away; be set aside].
Greek word for Perfection ---completeness
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5046 téleios (an adjective, derived from 5056 /télos, "consummated goal") – mature (consummated) from going through the necessary stages to reach the end-goal, i.e. developed into a consummating completion by fulfilling the necessary process (spiritual journey). See 5056 (telos).
[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]
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11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I ·stopped [set aside] those childish ways.
12 ·It is the same with us [L For…]. Now we see ·a dim reflection [obscurely; or indirectly], ·as if we were looking into a mirror [T through a glass darkly], but then we shall see ·clearly [L face to face]. Now I know only a part, but then I will know fully, as ·God has known me [L I am fully known].
13 So these three things ·continue forever [endure; remain]: faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of these is love.
NOTE:
I say ----No where in this Scripture is Paul saying that Tongues are non existence today -----he is saying they will pass away when completeness comes ----when we are in Heaven with God ----
This is from Bible Ref
Context Summary
First Corinthians 13:1–13 is one of the most loved and well-known passages in the Bible, but Paul places it after his teaching on the spiritual gifts for a specific reason. Some of the gifts may seem impressive, but if attempted without self-sacrificing love for others, they become meaningless, even destructive.
All Christians understand that at the end of time, when we live with God in person (Revelation 21:1–5), there will be no need for these gifts. They exist only in human history for a limited time and purpose.
God's love, though, and our reflection of it to each other, will go on endlessly.
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Speaking in tongues is never called "ecstatic utterances" in the Bible.
Also, tongues is not a gift. Speaking in tongues is one of the nine ways the gift of the Holy Spirit can be manifested. If a person has the gift of the Holy Spirit (all Christians do..), he has the ability to manifest that gift in nine different ways, one of which is speaking in tongues. Paul, speaking by revelation, said he wants all Christians to speak in tongues. Do all Christians do it? No, for various reasons. But none of those reasons are from God.
Also, tongues is not a gift. Speaking in tongues is one of the nine ways the gift of the Holy Spirit can be manifested. If a person has the gift of the Holy Spirit (all Christians do..), he has the ability to manifest that gift in nine different ways, one of which is speaking in tongues. Paul, speaking by revelation, said he wants all Christians to speak in tongues. Do all Christians do it? No, for various reasons. But none of those reasons are from God.
What if the person is neither unwilling, or actively seeking... and the Spirit decides they should speak in tongues? We could play "what if" all day long...
It is my belief that not every believer CAN speak in tongues.... only if the Spirit gives them that gift. I completely disagree with the assertion that all "true believers" WILL speak tongues. It's totally up to what the Spirit deems necessary. And THAT, my brother, is purely scriptural.
It is my belief that not every believer CAN speak in tongues.... only if the Spirit gives them that gift. I completely disagree with the assertion that all "true believers" WILL speak tongues. It's totally up to what the Spirit deems necessary. And THAT, my brother, is purely scriptural.
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FALSE.
Now if you want to get really technical, the word "gifts" is not found in 1 Cor 12:1. The word is simply "spirituals" or πνευματικῶν (pneumatikōn) and [gifts] had to be added by the translators. That is why it is in italics in the KJV. Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
But we know that this is a mere technicality since verse 4 has the word "gifts" and tongues [languages] are indeed one of the gift (contrary to what you said) . This portion of Scripture is in fact about spiritual gifts -- spiritual empowerments given by the Holy Spirit.
Now if you want to get really technical, the word "gifts" is not found in 1 Cor 12:1. The word is simply "spirituals" or πνευματικῶν (pneumatikōn) and [gifts] had to be added by the translators. That is why it is in italics in the KJV. Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
But we know that this is a mere technicality since verse 4 has the word "gifts" and tongues [languages] are indeed one of the gift (contrary to what you said) . This portion of Scripture is in fact about spiritual gifts -- spiritual empowerments given by the Holy Spirit.
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It’s true.
Agreed.
No, the gift is the gift of the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 12:7 says the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man (person..), and then the nine different ways the Holy Spirit can be manifested are listed. Paul said, by revelation, that he wants all Christians to speak in tongues.
Agreed.
No, the gift is the gift of the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 12:7 says the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man (person..), and then the nine different ways the Holy Spirit can be manifested are listed. Paul said, by revelation, that he wants all Christians to speak in tongues.
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True statement.
OF course "Tongues" (and other spoken gifts like "Word of knowledge", "tongues", and "interpretation of tongues") CAN BE, and sometimes are TOTALLY PHONY. Every Pentecostal/Charismatic knows that. Dr. Victor Weirwille of "The WAY International" for $300 (in 1975) would TEACH YOU to speak in tongues, give prophesy, and interpret tongues on cue.
AND, except for some lunatic fringe minor Pentecostal groups, NO MAJOR PENTECOSTAL/CHARISMATIC GROUP ties "Tongues" to Being Born Again.
OF course "Tongues" (and other spoken gifts like "Word of knowledge", "tongues", and "interpretation of tongues") CAN BE, and sometimes are TOTALLY PHONY. Every Pentecostal/Charismatic knows that. Dr. Victor Weirwille of "The WAY International" for $300 (in 1975) would TEACH YOU to speak in tongues, give prophesy, and interpret tongues on cue.
AND, except for some lunatic fringe minor Pentecostal groups, NO MAJOR PENTECOSTAL/CHARISMATIC GROUP ties "Tongues" to Being Born Again.
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