Ukraine the bad guy?

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cv5 said:
Right. The US in conjunction with allies blew up the pipelines. All done with informed consent by the offending parties. Roger that.

"They are majority owned (51 per cent) by Russia, along with German, Dutch and French stakeholders."

Now the question is: why? A rhetorical question, the answer being obvious.
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I did not say that either.

Stop putting words in my mouth that I did not say.

It's not like I'm supporting a country that invaded its smaller, weaker neighbor, Who openly commits genocide, and has destroyed many towns in order to steal resources from that neighbor....


I mean if the US was to invade Canada because of the nazis in Canada....what would your opinion be then?
 
JohnDB said:
I did not say that either.

Stop putting words in my mouth that I did not say.
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Oh. So tell us again.....who do YOU say blew up the pipelines?
In plain English. No shucking, jiving bobbing or weaving.

I have laid out my assertions as to the identity of the perps with total transparency. So now its your turn.
 
cv5 said:
Right. The US in conjunction with allies blew up the pipelines. All done with informed consent by the offending parties. Roger that.

"They are majority owned (51 per cent) by Russia, along with German, Dutch and French stakeholders."

Now the question is: why? A rhetorical question, the answer being obvious.
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Obvious answer? It takes a great deal of naïveté to believe there is an obvious answer here. We don’t know the answer. At least not you or me. We’re just stating opinion based on the limited information available, and also our biases are important to take into consideration when we’re forming our opinions.
 
Your sources regarding Ukraine are dubious at best. I don’t held random Twitter accounts in high regard when it comes to reliability. You seem to refer to them as bulletproof. Is that because they are in accordance with your own beliefs?
 
cv5 said:
Oh. So tell us again.....who do YOU say blew up the pipelines?
In plain English. No shucking, jiving bobbing or weaving.

I have laid out my assertions as to the identity of the perps with total transparency. So now its your turn.
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It wasn't the US....
We just bumbled our way into the neighborhood where it happened....because the US department of the Boat People do that on a regular basis. (3 uncles in the navy...father and brother in Airforce, one brother in Army and one uncle Green beret which is MI)
Then there's the friends and acquaintances who served in CIA and other intelligence services....

If the US was going to intentionally blow up a pipeline really....we would make a huge showcase of it...not have our Mumbler in Chief say anything without it taking 90 minutes to say and a whole team of spin doctors promoting it for his credit.

As it was....the whole US is getting blamed and we really didn't do it...I don't know for sure who exactly did it or who funded it.

And that is whataboutism. It's not relevant or pertinent as to why a large Nation invaded a weaker neighbor nation because of a list of lies....and if you say that it was because of nazis....then the USA has full rights and privileges to invade Canada to take care of the Canadian nazi problem to protect the English speaking Americans living in Canada. Meanwhile we will take oil and lumber industries and anything else we find of value....deport Canadians to the Southern border with Mexico and to Guam to work sugar plants. But don't sweat it you will get paid a grand total of $700/month for your labor so long as you meet production quotas....otherwise not so much.

And one last point....Ukraine has freedom of speech Russia does not.
 
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JohnDB said:
It wasn't the US....
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Based on what?

JohnDB said:
We just bumbled our way into the neighborhood where it happened....because the US department of the Boat People do that on a regular basis. (3 uncles in the navy...father and brother in Airforce, one brother in Army and one uncle Green beret which is MI)
Then there's the friends and acquaintances who served in CIA and other intelligence services....
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Of course you are a coincidence theorists describing the US military as the keystone cops.

JohnDB said:
If the US was going to intentionally blow up a pipeline really....we would make a huge showcase of it...not have our Mumbler in Chief say anything without it taking 90 minutes to say and a whole team of spin doctors promoting it for his credit.
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And a psychiatrist

JohnDB said:
As it was....the whole US is getting blamed and we really didn't do it...I don't know for sure who exactly did it or who funded it.
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So focus on the things we do know. Biden said he would do it, the US blamed Russia who didn't do it, the US military was on site when it happened, and we got phone calls to our allies like the UK the moment it took place.
 
JohnDB said:
It wasn't the US....
We just bumbled our way into the neighborhood where it happened....because the US department of the Boat People do that on a regular basis. (3 uncles in the navy...father and brother in Airforce, one brother in Army and one uncle Green beret which is MI)
Then there's the friends and acquaintances who served in CIA and other intelligence services....

If the US was going to intentionally blow up a pipeline really....we would make a huge showcase of it...not have our Mumbler in Chief say anything without it taking 90 minutes to say and a whole team of spin doctors promoting it for his credit.

As it was....the whole US is getting blamed and we really didn't do it...I don't know for sure who exactly did it or who funded it.

And that is whataboutism. It's not relevant or pertinent as to why a large Nation invaded a weaker neighbor nation because of a list of lies....and if you say that it was because of nazis....then the USA has full rights and privileges to invade Canada to take care of the Canadian nazi problem to protect the English speaking Americans living in Canada. Meanwhile we will take oil and lumber industries and anything else we find of value....deport Canadians to the Southern border with Mexico and to Guam to work sugar plants. But don't sweat it you will get paid a grand total of $700/month for your labor so long as you meet production quotas....otherwise not so much.

And one last point....Ukraine has freedom of speech Russia does not.
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"And one last point....Ukraine has freedom of speech Russia does not."
Not according to my Twitter feeds.

I have to say, the fact that I know who blew up the pipelines and the CIA, Naval intelligence and you (and your "hooked up" family) do not casts all of you into the bin with the dimmest of dimbulbs.
 
cv5 said:
"And one last point....Ukraine has freedom of speech Russia does not."
Not according to my Twitter feeds.

I have to say, the fact that I know who blew up the pipelines and the CIA, Naval intelligence and you (and your "hooked up" family) do not casts all of you into the bin with the dimmest of dimbulbs.
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You do not know who did it. Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Britain, and others all had a plausible reason to destroy it.

There were at least two ghost ships in the neighborhood where the damage took place. But it would require a bit of tech to do the job. They think that Ukranians did it because of a yacht...but it's still not possible because of their lack of tech.

So whoever did it isn't saying...nobody is admitting it. And blindly blaming anyone without definitive proof is true moronic behavior.
 
ZNP said:
So focus on the things we do know. Biden said he would do it, the US blamed Russia who didn't do it, the US military was on site when it happened, and we got phone calls to our allies like the UK the moment it took place.
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Grandpa Disaster said "we" will do it. Then "they" arranged it. Then it happened. Then came all of the congratulatory text messages.

So we agree on the identity of the perps.

Now the necessary question: Are the deniers on crazy pills? o_O
 
JohnDB said:
You do not know who did it. Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Britain, and others all had a plausible reason to destroy it.

There were at least two ghost ships in the neighborhood where the damage took place. But it would require a bit of tech to do the job. They think that Ukranians did it because of a yacht...but it's still not possible because of their lack of tech.

So whoever did it isn't saying...nobody is admitting it. And blindly blaming anyone without definitive proof is true moronic behavior.
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Not as moronic as the US government blaming Russia for doing it.

Not knowing beyond a reasonable doubt is not the same thing as not having significant evidence.

Yes, there were several countries with a motive, but how many had the means? Also why would Poland do such a thing on their own? If you are part of NATO work with them. It is outrageous to think Poland would go off and do this outside of NATO. Same thing with the UK.

However, it is hard to believe that NATO would agree when Germany is the major European country.

So then, who had a motive, had the means, and had the arrogance to do this outside of NATO?
 
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cv5 said:
Grandpa Disaster said "we" will do it. Then "they" arranged it. Then it happened. Then came all of the congratulatory text messages.

So we agree on the identity of the perps.

Now the necessary question: Are the deniers on crazy pills? o_O
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So do you just make a narrative out of your preferences and just look for "facts" (not real facts just suggestions in truth) to prove you are right?

Because at this point you have committed every logical fallacy of the extra long lists of logical fallacies. From red herrings to whataboutism to all out fabricated lies.
 
JohnDB said:
So do you just make a narrative out of your preferences and just look for "facts" (not real facts just suggestions in truth) to prove you are right?

Because at this point you have committed every logical fallacy of the extra long lists of logical fallacies. From red herrings to whataboutism to all out fabricated lies.
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You have endless bafflegab and an admitted failure to ascertain both motives and identities.

Whereas I have concluded my investigation LONG AGO with robust confidence in my conclusions. Conclusions that I have yet to modify in any substantial way.
 
cv5 said:
You have endless bafflegab and an admitted failure to ascertain both motives and identities.

Whereas I have concluded my investigation LONG AGO with robust confidence in my conclusions. Conclusions that I have yet to modify in any substantial way.
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No....your assertions have plenty of name calling and false accusations however they have no proof or validation.

I however have provided plenty of first hand reports and uninterested bystander experts to support my claims. You have dismissed every one of them as if they don't exist. (But they do)

Then there's the absolute undisputed facts recognized by EVERY single person in the world.....you still dismissed them as if they don't exist. And yet I've been dishonest or a rube with mumbling bumbling?

In truth you don't have a leg to stand on....I (with some assistance from others) have dismantled every single point you have put forth as reasons to support the communist dictator Putin. But you continue....one can only surmise you are a Russian Bot or someone who is fed what to say by them. Just like in the video I posted earlier.

Prove I'm wrong....but up to now you haven't proven anything. But of course choosing the side that the whole world says is evil (including God)is not a wise choice to begin with.
 
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