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welcome to the forum and thank you for expressing this ancient heresy openly.
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
(1 Timothy 2:5)
having spent several years here, believe me, it is a blessing when obvious theological error is clearly stated instead of having to be painstakingly dragged out and proven.
your bluntness saves us all a great deal of time & effort
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
(1 Timothy 2:5)
having spent several years here, believe me, it is a blessing when obvious theological error is clearly stated instead of having to be painstakingly dragged out and proven.
your bluntness saves us all a great deal of time & effort
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ahem.
i will say, it is refreshing:
most of the abjet heresy we see is people denying His deity. it has been some time since we have met anyone denying His humanity.
for that, thanks. the particular falsehoods of your teachings are of interest, and i commend your hospitality
Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. Therefore, in all things He had to be made like brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tested, He is able to aid those who are tempted.
(Hebrews 2:14-18)
if He was never a man, we have no mediator and there is no salvation. (Hebrews 2:14-18)
i will say, it is refreshing:
most of the abjet heresy we see is people denying His deity. it has been some time since we have met anyone denying His humanity.
for that, thanks. the particular falsehoods of your teachings are of interest, and i commend your hospitality
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Beloved -
He was as the God of gods willed Him to be, according to the specifications of the mission.
The things of the Spirit are not as the things of this world. To become so masterful that we can attempt to deal so deeply with the things of the God of gods truly does require that we put away ALL things of the world and follow after Him in spirit and truth - with no other concern. Have either of us assumed this exceedingly noble position - as we are, in this moment?
If you yourself could ask ANYTHING of the God of gods - the Father of Adonai, because you have Divine Favor in the Absolute, because the One who can do all things hears your voice and grants you all things when you ask - is that not (by standards on earth) omniscient/omnipresent?
But the deep things of the earth and the deep things of the heavens are vastly different; we are here; He is there (and has always been there - for He and the Father ARE one; meaning their hearts and minds are set in absolute accord.)
Adonai has no will of His own; His faculties are COMPLETELY absorbed - unto the will of the God of gods.
Adonai has spoken:
No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
This is why He caused us to fast at length, gave us 'bread from heaven' and removed from us the foods that we ourselves delighted in - in Egypt, and gave us the Law of Life: to recondition ALL of our faculties, that we might understand and be partakers of 'the Power of God'.
To BE sons and daughters of the Most High God requires NEWNESS in EVERY conceivable way - for those who are accustomed to
CARNAL THINKING, CARNAL USE OF ONES BODY, CARNAL USE OF ONES STRENGTH, CARNAL USE OF ONES spirit.
Reborn.
Peace and love to all sincere.
He was as the God of gods willed Him to be, according to the specifications of the mission.
The things of the Spirit are not as the things of this world. To become so masterful that we can attempt to deal so deeply with the things of the God of gods truly does require that we put away ALL things of the world and follow after Him in spirit and truth - with no other concern. Have either of us assumed this exceedingly noble position - as we are, in this moment?
If you yourself could ask ANYTHING of the God of gods - the Father of Adonai, because you have Divine Favor in the Absolute, because the One who can do all things hears your voice and grants you all things when you ask - is that not (by standards on earth) omniscient/omnipresent?
But the deep things of the earth and the deep things of the heavens are vastly different; we are here; He is there (and has always been there - for He and the Father ARE one; meaning their hearts and minds are set in absolute accord.)
Adonai has no will of His own; His faculties are COMPLETELY absorbed - unto the will of the God of gods.
Adonai has spoken:
No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
This is why He caused us to fast at length, gave us 'bread from heaven' and removed from us the foods that we ourselves delighted in - in Egypt, and gave us the Law of Life: to recondition ALL of our faculties, that we might understand and be partakers of 'the Power of God'.
To BE sons and daughters of the Most High God requires NEWNESS in EVERY conceivable way - for those who are accustomed to
CARNAL THINKING, CARNAL USE OF ONES BODY, CARNAL USE OF ONES STRENGTH, CARNAL USE OF ONES spirit.
Reborn.
Peace and love to all sincere.
given your conversation here, i am quite surprised that you do not appear have knowledge of the 12-step Hebrew betrothal ceremony - or at least, that you have not understood its connection to Matthew 24:36
if Christ is God He is omniscient. Matthew 24:36 is therefore a deep mystery, not a contradiction of Christ's deity.
the Father sets the day and hour of the snatching away of the Bride to the marriage feast. the Son does not reveal it, deferring any inquiry to the Father, saying, "only the Father knows" -- not in any way whatsoever indicating the ignorance of the Son but His submission to the will of the Father.
if Christ is God He is omniscient. Matthew 24:36 is therefore a deep mystery, not a contradiction of Christ's deity.
the Father sets the day and hour of the snatching away of the Bride to the marriage feast. the Son does not reveal it, deferring any inquiry to the Father, saying, "only the Father knows" -- not in any way whatsoever indicating the ignorance of the Son but His submission to the will of the Father.
ahem.
i will say, it is refreshing:
most of the abjet heresy we see is people denying His deity. it has been some time since we have met anyone denying His humanity.
for that, thanks. the particular falsehoods of your teachings are of interest, and i commend your hospitality
Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. Therefore, in all things He had to be made like brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tested, He is able to aid those who are tempted.
(Hebrews 2:14-18)
if He was never a man, we have no mediator and there is no salvation. i will say, it is refreshing:
most of the abjet heresy we see is people denying His deity. it has been some time since we have met anyone denying His humanity.
for that, thanks. the particular falsehoods of your teachings are of interest, and i commend your hospitality
Truly.
How are we to interpret this thing that is written:
There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Indeed -
That we too might know the Way, that the Word might become flesh in all who believe;
for Adonai IS the Way, the Truth, and the Life (the very life that we must live in order to hear it spoken from the heavens regarding ourselves also):
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And we walk (live) exactly as Adonai walked, in order to receive the honor and authority of our Beloved Master (for the Master and the pupil share the same Way):
But Peter and those with him were heavy with sleep; and when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men who stood with Him.
And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
The Lord Jesus of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God be magnified above all.
Lord Jesus comes quickly. Amen.
That we too might know the Way, that the Word might become flesh in all who believe;
for Adonai IS the Way, the Truth, and the Life (the very life that we must live in order to hear it spoken from the heavens regarding ourselves also):
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And we walk (live) exactly as Adonai walked, in order to receive the honor and authority of our Beloved Master (for the Master and the pupil share the same Way):
But Peter and those with him were heavy with sleep; and when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men who stood with Him.
And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
The Lord Jesus of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God be magnified above all.
Lord Jesus comes quickly. Amen.
It is wedding language.
He knows all things and always knows all things.
consider that in Revelation it is said He has a name written that only He Himself knows: do we suppose the Father, from Whom nothing can be hidden, doesn't know this name?
these are mysteries, not simply explained.
He knows all things and always knows all things.
consider that in Revelation it is said He has a name written that only He Himself knows: do we suppose the Father, from Whom nothing can be hidden, doesn't know this name?
these are mysteries, not simply explained.
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Even as the rock, Peter saith:
but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,
but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
And so, beloved - discernment (to tell the difference betwixt) requires knowledge,
even EVERY WORD which proceedeth from the mouth of God:
for if you have a beloved son, it is by your sharing of knowledge that he is able to discern:
behold, my beloved son: this is a fig; and this is an egg; and that is a serpent.
So we say not that salvation is hinged upon the Law of Life - but that it IS necessary, so as not to OFFEND the Father - it is necessary to KNOW what is wicked and evil, in order to AVOID it.
Adonai DID speak (yea, it is written - and so we MUST eat):
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Peace and love to all sincere.
but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,
but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
And so, beloved - discernment (to tell the difference betwixt) requires knowledge,
even EVERY WORD which proceedeth from the mouth of God:
for if you have a beloved son, it is by your sharing of knowledge that he is able to discern:
behold, my beloved son: this is a fig; and this is an egg; and that is a serpent.
So we say not that salvation is hinged upon the Law of Life - but that it IS necessary, so as not to OFFEND the Father - it is necessary to KNOW what is wicked and evil, in order to AVOID it.
Adonai DID speak (yea, it is written - and so we MUST eat):
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Peace and love to all sincere.
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Jesus replied, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority."
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus...
And... There are no other gods...
Isaiah 45:22 + Revelation 3:20
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus...
And... There are no other gods...
Isaiah 45:22 + Revelation 3:20
Adonai:
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of Him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in Him.
truly - we know that by doing the will of the Father, we ARE as He IS; therefore, as the Father, so the obedient children
Peace and love with great joy to all sincere.
Do you ask me, beloved - or Adonai?
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
From whence cometh the incense in the heaven of heavens? shall I ask you?
If I share the Word as it has been given to me (even as Adonai shared the Word as He Himself received it), is there not One that openeth the eyes?
It is written:
The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them.
And:
Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
Peace and love to all sincere.
Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God comes soon.
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
From whence cometh the incense in the heaven of heavens? shall I ask you?
If I share the Word as it has been given to me (even as Adonai shared the Word as He Himself received it), is there not One that openeth the eyes?
It is written:
The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them.
And:
Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
Peace and love to all sincere.
Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God comes soon.
friend, the subject is the humanity of Christ that you denied.
How can you say He was never a man seeing that He ate fish and honey in their presence?
Compare His appearing to announce the birth of Samson, when He said, He will not eat their food. and He that has ascended is He who has descended, as He told Nicodemus.
His name is Wonderful - and Moses spoke of Him saying, 'raised up from among your brothers' - Son of David. if He is Son of David how can He not be flesh and bone?
Again, out of Jesse, THE BRANCH.
all. over the law and prophets is the promise of Him becoming man: the Seed of Woman, the One Who is pierced.
How can you say He was never a man seeing that He ate fish and honey in their presence?
Compare His appearing to announce the birth of Samson, when He said, He will not eat their food. and He that has ascended is He who has descended, as He told Nicodemus.
His name is Wonderful - and Moses spoke of Him saying, 'raised up from among your brothers' - Son of David. if He is Son of David how can He not be flesh and bone?
Again, out of Jesse, THE BRANCH.
all. over the law and prophets is the promise of Him becoming man: the Seed of Woman, the One Who is pierced.
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