Apostles

[JonathanBentley]

So apostles is listed as an office of the church or ministry in the bible. That means more than just the 12 and Paul. So where are their epistles. It's the primary job of apostles to have epistles. I personally think there are more books to the scriptures and often read the apocryphal books. If it's an office of the church then it wasn't limited to a few. I really don't want to argue if there are apostles today as I tend to believe the Bible is the perfect or complete that fulfilled all that. But we could have more writers before. There are a lot of these books on Google books usually as a set. The Greek matches new testament greek.

 

[Cameron143]

Do you know of other writings in which the author claims to be an Apostle who isn't in the first group you mentioned? And do you believe their works are inspired?

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

In scriptures the 12 apostles were chosen by Jesus, and knew him personally. Judas failed JESUS and was replaced by matthias;

Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas
Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Act 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brotherof James.

Act 1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

Act 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Act 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

Act 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Act 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Act 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

Act 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

Act 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

There were only 12 apostles, that number is always present in the bible even in the description of the future new Jerusalem in the 12 gates, 12 tribes etc... see revelations 21.

Blessings,

 

[JonathanBentley]

In scriptures the 12 apostles were chosen by Jesus, and knew him personally. Judas failed JESUS and was replaced by matthias;

Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas
Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Act 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brotherof James.

Act 1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

Act 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Act 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

Act 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Act 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Act 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

Act 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

Act 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

There were only 12 apostles, that number is always present in the bible even in the description of the future new Jerusalem in the 12 gates, 12 tribes etc... see revelations 21.

Blessings,

But Paul makes 13 and no gate in new Jerusalem.

 

[JonathanBentley]

Do you know of other writings in which the author claims to be an Apostle who isn't in the first group you mentioned? And do you believe their works are inspired?

You might try the gospel of Nicodemus

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

But Paul makes 13 and no gate in new Jerusalem.

You are Correct, i see the same thing.

Blessings.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But Paul makes 13 and no gate in new Jerusalem.

How can Paul make 13, when both Judas and Matthias are excluded? THERE ARE ONLY TWELVE APOSTLES OF THE LAMB.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

How can Paul make 13, when both Judas and Matthias are excluded? THERE ARE ONLY TWELVE APOSTLES OF THE LAMB.

Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

 

[Cameron143]

You might try the gospel of Nicodemus

I'll pass. I was merely interested if you knew of any that were written that the claim of Apostleship is claimed and if so did you believe they rose to the level of scripture.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

 

[Aaron56]

It's the primary job of apostles to have epistles.

Where is this written?

Less then half of the Apostles of the Lamb (The Twelve) wrote anything. Paul wrote most of the New Testament and he wasn't among the 12. Barnabas, Silas, Timothy... they didn't write a thing.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I personally think there are more books to the scriptures

Contradicts

I tend to believe the Bible is the perfect or complete that fulfilled all that.

Perhaps rather than reading apocryhal writtings, you should stick with canon.

 

[ResidentAlien]

So apostles is listed as an office of the church or ministry in the bible.

Where does the Bible say there is an "office" of apostle? I read about an office of overseer but I don't recall an office of apostle.

 

[posthuman]

Judas failed JESUS

Judas did exactly as he was destined to do -

John 17:12
none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

i don't think "failed" is correct terminology

 

[posthuman]

How can Paul make 13, when both Judas and Matthias are excluded? THERE ARE ONLY TWELVE APOSTLES OF THE LAMB.

How many tribes of Israel are there?
depends on how you count!

 

[posthuman]

Paul wrote most of the New Testament

actually by word-count, Luke wrote more - and wasn't even an apostle at all!

 

[Eli1]

@JonathanBentley I’ve seen a few similar threads from you where you seem genuine is more spiritual edification and I’m assuming you’re a Protestant since you‘re from USA.
Ironically another thread here called ”should Protestants read other books” missed the mark because that person is not looking for spiritual edification.
With that being said you should read whatever your heart desires so it can bring you closer to God.
God is found everywhere and I find Him in historical books, miracles, traditions and regional customs through the ages and even in science.

So God bless you in your journey.

 

[ResidentAlien]

So apostles is listed as an office of the church or ministry in the bible. That means more than just the 12 and Paul. So where are their epistles. It's the primary job of apostles to have epistles. I personally think there are more books to the scriptures and often read the apocryphal books. If it's an office of the church then it wasn't limited to a few. I really don't want to argue if there are apostles today as I tend to believe the Bible is the perfect or complete that fulfilled all that. But we could have more writers before. There are a lot of these books on Google books usually as a set. The Greek matches new testament greek.

If we take seriously every single claim to direct revelation from God, or direct authority from God, the Bible would contain hundreds or even thousands of volumes. Where would it stop?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

How can Paul make 13, when both Judas and Matthias are excluded? THERE ARE ONLY TWELVE APOSTLES OF THE LAMB.

amen Matthias was chosen by casting lots , the apostles are chosen by the lord himself like the eleven and Paul were

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[posthuman]

amen Matthias was chosen by casting lots , the apostles are chosen by the lord himself like the eleven and Paul were

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But the scripture says the casting of lots is the decision of God -

Proverbs 16:33
The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision [is] from the LORD

were the eleven in sin for casting lots?

and @Nehemiah6 was Paul in sin for claiming to be an apostle?