Population Decline Worries

[MsMediator]

It seems nowadays there is more concern about declining populations and low birth rates, particularly in the more developed countries.

It seems different groups have different worries:
- The left is more worried about funding Social Security and other programs (presumably because there will be less tax revenue);
- The right seems to be more worried about the "great replacement";
- Both sides (as well as other countries such as China) seem to worry about impact on economic growth down the road and loss of national power.

Are these worries warranted? Does it really matter from a Christian perspective if birth rates are low? The population decline is not really a result of "population control" per se which I believe is not Biblical. For example, in the U.S. and in most countries we do not have maximum child limits.

 

[JaumeJ]

Social Security has always been funded by our own payments during our working up to our retirenebts. Our pension is NOT a gift for we have paid into it for decades. This system is not far off from the system in the first Isrel, approved by our Maker.

Should anyone become disabled bfore a working carrer or during, tht person is entitled to SS care. This is not a leftist notion, no, it is what Jesus would do,.

Giving shelter, welfare and education to our children was always the priority in our government, and this too is approved by our Lord., for it is the right course of action for any country that has a modicum of love for its own population.

Please, do not make ill-treating the weak, unable, and paid pensioner the way of government in the guise of being Christian, it simply is not of our Lord.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

The trend towards both husband and wife being in the workforce is/was a primary contributor to having fewer children in the US. With the attack and breaking down of the Biblical family unit in modern times fewer people are marrying, or are marrying much later in life, making it more likely that we'll have fewer children. Killing the yet to be born has also had a massive impact on birth numbers.

From a Christian perspective, man has made a mess of things but this Era has an ending which may not be all that far off.

 

[Gideon300]

It seems nowadays there is more concern about declining populations and low birth rates, particularly in the more developed countries.

It seems different groups have different worries:
- The left is more worried about funding Social Security and other programs (presumably because there will be less tax revenue);
- The right seems to be more worried about the "great replacement";
- Both sides (as well as other countries such as China) seem to worry about impact on economic growth down the road and loss of national power.

Are these worries warranted? Does it really matter from a Christian perspective if birth rates are low? The population decline is not really a result of "population control" per se which I believe is not Biblical. For example, in the U.S. and in most countries we do not have maximum child limits.

There is a lot of fear in the world today. People are reluctant to bring children into the world. It's also a selfish attitude. People don't want the financial and social burden of raising children. It's understandable. I don't know how families manage in Australia. Housing is desperately in short supply and our moronic government wants to increase immigration by 650,00.

Child limits are not imposed legally, but by the cost of raising a family. I also think that deep down, people believe that the world has little time left to run. They may well be right. Who wants to bring a child into the world we have today?

 

[HeIsHere]

It seems nowadays there is more concern about declining populations and low birth rates, particularly in the more developed countries.

It seems different groups have different worries:
- The left is more worried about funding Social Security and other programs (presumably because there will be less tax revenue);
- The right seems to be more worried about the "great replacement";
- Both sides (as well as other countries such as China) seem to worry about impact on economic growth down the road and loss of national power.

Are these worries warranted? Does it really matter from a Christian perspective if birth rates are low? The population decline is not really a result of "population control" per se which I believe is not Biblical. For example, in the U.S. and in most countries we do not have maximum child limits.

Population decline is a major issue in many countries, in some countries like Japan and China it is an actually a crisis and it is too late for it to be fixed.

The numbers do not lie.

When I read this

I also think that deep down, people believe that the world has little time left to run. They may well be right. Who wants to bring a child into the world we have today?

I think it is sad that Christians have drunk the Kool Aid, such wrong thinking from a biblical perspective.

 

[Cameron143]

Social Security has always been funded by our own payments during our working up to our retirenebts. Our pension is NOT a gift for we have paid into it for decades. This system is not far off from the system in the first Isrel, approved by our Maker.

Should anyone become disabled bfore a working carrer or during, tht person is entitled to SS care. This is not a leftist notion, no, it is what Jesus would do,.

Giving shelter, welfare and education to our children was always the priority in our government, and this too is approved by our Lord., for it is the right course of action for any country that has a modicum of love for its own population.

Please, do not make ill-treating the weak, unable, and paid pensioner the way of government in the guise of being Christian, it simply is not of our Lord.

Social Security was never set up as a pension. Because of the way taxes were established constitutionally, the funds collected under Social Security were always placed in the general fund and spent.

 

[Eli1]

Is this an economical worry or biblical worry?
Economical is warranted, biblical is not.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

Population decline is a major issue in many countries, in some countries like Japan and China it is an actually a crisis and it is too late for it to be fixed.

I guess China's one child policy turned out to be a bad idea... Leave it to govmints to create yuge problems.

 

[Cameron143]

It is an interesting topic. The mandate for procreation in Genesis was never rescinded. We are still to be fruitful and fill the earth.

There are many reasons we have reached the place we are today but it is never to late to begin to obey.

God's plan has always been to fill the earth with His glory. Before the fall, this was a relatively easy task. Man, already existing in the image of God, merely had to procreate. As more and more people were born and followed their inclinations to explore and discover new things in God's creation, the glory of God would increase in the earth.

After the fall, God's image in man was marred and procreation could no longer accomplish God's goal of filling the earth with His glory. Undaunted, God, as part of His salvation, remakes believers in the image of His Son. Thus, the great Commission is the spiritual procreation mandate and the means by which God is filling the earth with His image and glory.

I share all this to encourage young people to marry and have many children. Raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord. And then unleash them on a lost and dying world and watch what God will do. And don't worry about the cost. God will honor your obedience and meet your every need.

 

[JaumeJ]

Social Security was never set up as a pension. Because of the way taxes were established constitutionally, the funds collected under Social Security were always placed in the general fund and spent.

Explain then how it is that when I retired, I waqs given a list of the jobs I had and how they had paid into my payments. It was and is myown moneney. I did not even complain about some of th e jobs that were not lissted. Probably because the employer did not pay it in. He collected it though.
I hope there is ample of my own funding to help many, many people, bor this is the main aim of our tax payments.
Remember when the government spends on any projects, it is not their money but monies paid in by the citizens in taxes levied. We actually have not much to say about whenre the taxes go for if we did it would have been a far more peaceful history we have to recount now.

 

[JaumeJ]

Social Security was never set up as a pension. Because of the way taxes were established constitutionally, the funds collected under Social Security were always placed in the general fund and spent.

This is the first time in my years I hav e ever heard of such a notion.

Is this an economical worry or biblical worry?
Economical is warranted, biblical is not.

My reply is to point out that we should pay our taxes in the hopes it goes to help those who are in need. Myself for one, woudl be so had I not saved and paid into my soscial security pension. I remember back to the early 1950's how all retired with a social security pension because they all had paid into. Idt is important and it is similar to the system of the first Israel. And it was ordained by the Word.

 

[Cameron143]

Explain then how it is that when I retired, I waqs given a list of the jobs I had and how they had paid into my payments. It was and is myown moneney. I did not even complain about some of th e jobs that were not lissted. Probably because the employer did not pay it in. He collected it though.
I hope there is ample of my own funding to help many, many people, bor this is the main aim of our tax payments.
Remember when the government spends on any projects, it is not their money but monies paid in by the citizens in taxes levied. We actually have not much to say about whenre the taxes go for if we did it would have been a far more peaceful history we have to recount now.

To understand why you need to understand what direct and indirect taxes are and how they are collected legally.
I'm not saying you aren't entitled to it. I'm saying there is no fund paying out pensions. It is funded by current workers.

 

[Eli1]

My reply is to point out that we should pay our taxes in the hopes it goes to help those who are in need. Myself for one, woudl be so had I not saved and paid into my soscial security pension. I remember back to the early 1950's how all retired with a social security pension because they all had paid into. Idt is important and it is similar to the system of the first Israel. And it was ordained by the Word.

I agree with you. I also pay my taxes in hopes that it will help other people. But the reality of the situation is that those taxes i pay, fund the killing of other people through the military industrial complex. But since you mentioned the Bible I’m assuming this is supported by the “Pay the Cesar what is owed to the Cesar“ line?
Also because I am realistic, I don’t bank on retiring on social security alone and have made plans to support myself and my family through rental properties or stock market investments.
But taxes in general are a global thing and some countries manage them better than others.
If you don’t like the tax system you can either become a monk or quit society and live off the grid like one of my coworkers did.

 

[Karlon]

It seems nowadays there is more concern about declining populations and low birth rates, particularly in the more developed countries.

It seems different groups have different worries:
- The left is more worried about funding Social Security and other programs (presumably because there will be less tax revenue);
- The right seems to be more worried about the "great replacement";
- Both sides (as well as other countries such as China) seem to worry about impact on economic growth down the road and loss of national power.

Are these worries warranted? Does it really matter from a Christian perspective if birth rates are low? The population decline is not really a result of "population control" per se which I believe is not Biblical. For example, in the U.S. and in most countries we do not have maximum child limits.

i, for one, hope the population declines. i have heard of these statistics in recent years. the world is growing worse in behavior & sin. although i never had kids, i would encourage (someone i know really well), to refrain from having kids or wait til there is plenty of provisions in the "bank", sort of speak. nationally, corporately, family wise, & individually, there's very little good news to show any development to a progressive world attitude, especially in the Christian realm, to give anyone any confidence, security & protection in proper governmental growth.

 

[Cameron143]

i, for one, hope the population declines. i have heard of these statistics in recent years. the world is growing worse in behavior & sin. although i never had kids, i would encourage (someone i know really well), to refrain from having kids or wait til there is plenty of provisions in the "bank", sort of speak. nationally, corporately, family wise, & individually, there's very little good news to show any development to a progressive world attitude, especially in the Christian realm, to give anyone any confidence, security & protection in proper governmental growth.

There has never been any confidence, security or protection in government. It is only God who can supply such things. Better to obey the commandments of God and trust the outcomes to Him. He is faithful.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

My reply is to point out that we should pay our taxes in the hopes it goes to help those who are in need.

I don't. I expect the govmint to use tax money to support it's responsibilities to the people as described in the US Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution is there a mandate to take from one citizen and give to another in need.

It's up to individuals to help others if they so choose, it is not and never has been a job that the US govmint should be doing with our tax dollars.

 

[Magenta]

Social Security was never set up as a pension. Because of the way taxes were established constitutionally,
the funds collected under Social Security were always placed in the general fund and spent.

JaumeJ is in Spain, I believe, not the US, so it may be different there.

In Canada, monies are taken out of each paycheck and put into a specific pension fund.

 

[MsMediator]

i, for one, hope the population declines. i have heard of these statistics in recent years. the world is growing worse in behavior & sin. although i never had kids, i would encourage (someone i know really well), to refrain from having kids or wait til there is plenty of provisions in the "bank", sort of speak. nationally, corporately, family wise, & individually, there's very little good news to show any development to a progressive world attitude, especially in the Christian realm, to give anyone any confidence, security & protection in proper governmental growth.

I don't think people should consciously try to stop having kids. I just think it is immoral to pressure women and couples to have kids to fix economic/cultural/societal concerns.

 

[Cameron143]

JaumeJ is in Spain, I believe, not the US, so it may be different there.

In Canada, monies are taken out of each paycheck and put into a specific pension fund.

Thanks. I didn't realize.

 

[Magenta]

Thanks. I didn't realize.

As long as you are a Canadian citizen, regardless of whether or not you were born here or contributed
in any way to the "wealth" of our country, everyone over the age of 65 gets old age security payments
also (OAS). Of course, most people over the age of sixty five are not having children .