Another shooting. Defending the indefensible.

[Gideon300]

" the right to bear arms shall not be infringed."

not " a right to own a certain type of arms shall be regulated, and the right to own a certain type of approved arm shall be granted by the government unless they decide otherwise".

that is what you are saying.

your country had the right of freedom of movement and expression until the gov. decided to severely restrict both in the name of overblown, overcounted covid.

Every law is subject to interpretation. Define 'arms'. When that was written, there were no semi automatic rifles that could put a round through thick steel. I realise that common sense is an oxymoron, but surely even gun nuts can see that rights need to be commensurate with responsibility. Or maybe not.

COVID was an unusual situation. No one knew exactly how to deal with it. Mistakes were made. One mistake was to allow free movement of people who had not been tested. Most of the early COVID cases here were spread by one man, a furniture remover who was infected. It spread from there. The restrictions were an irritation, but not impossible. About 20 of us had two open air meetings outside our town council building. We sang hymns and prayed. No one called the cops. We are not yet China or North Korea. That may well happen eventually. The signs are not good for America or especially Canada. New Zealand may as well be teaching Mandarin now. Donald Trump will not save you. The church needs to get right in every nation before God steps in to heal the land.

 

[gb9]

Every law is subject to interpretation. Define 'arms'. When that was written, there were no semi automatic rifles that could put a round through thick steel. I realise that common sense is an oxymoron, but surely even gun nuts can see that rights need to be commensurate with responsibility. Or maybe not.

COVID was an unusual situation. No one knew exactly how to deal with it. Mistakes were made. One mistake was to allow free movement of people who had not been tested. Most of the early COVID cases here were spread by one man, a furniture remover who was infected. It spread from there. The restrictions were an irritation, but not impossible. About 20 of us had two open air meetings outside our town council building. We sang hymns and prayed. No one called the cops. We are not yet China or North Korea. That may well happen eventually. The signs are not good for America or especially Canada. New Zealand may as well be teaching Mandarin now. Donald Trump will not save you. The church needs to get right in every nation before God steps in to heal the land.

2nd paragraph - trump will not save you.

way to many americans think that he will. and that is idol worship.

 

[ButterflyJones]

yes, without a doubt, the wall in Jerusalem is segregation on the grounds of ethnic background with a few unique differences. From what I understand the Palestinians want their own land under their own government, so the wall is simply a border between land governed by Israel and land governed by Palestinians. I think any reasonable person would agree that Israel needs to be able to control their border and know who is coming in and who is going out of the country.

Now they do something else which is to blow up the house of terrorists. These are people who killed others by suicide so there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that they perpetrated the act. Victims have no one to sue. It is a horrible crime that is rooted in vengeance and unforgiveness. But there is a logic to it. Who would be the most likely person to know that this young man is about to do this act and would care for them? Their family. Iranians and others will pay people to commit acts of terrorism through suicide by promising to give their family a home. Therefore this penalty matches that, Iranians give their family a home and Israel will demolish the home. There is no financial incentive to killing people.

Sure there is. Our tax dollars funded Palestinian terrorism for years.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10234/funding-palestinian-terrorism

And Biden wants to start it up again.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...in-palestinian-aid-reviving-us-ties#xj4y7vzkg


Yet another reason many think BHO is shadow president.


Palestinians pay a water bill to Israel.
They're prohibited from sinking their own wells to reach the aquifer that runs beneath the region.

If a well is found the IDF destroys it and fine the owners.
Prohibiting free access to water in the desert.

 

[ZNP]

I wish that I could get inside the head of the American gun advocate. I might have a better idea of why some Americans are so obsessed. According to statistics I've seen, a bit under half of American households do not have a gun. That in itself I find intriguing,

I am not advocating the end of gun ownership. I'm advocating the end of military style weapons. Your argument about ammo capacity is specious. A knife wielder has limited opportunity. An AR15 has a 50 round magazine. How long does it take to replace an empty magazine with another 50 rounds? That depends on the skill of the shooter, but even a klutz won't take long.

Australians still have the right to own a gun. The kind of gun is controlled. That's the difference. It's not perfect but it's way better than the system in the USA.

AR 15 has 20-30 rounds in a magazine, but in some states due to legal restrictions it is 10 rounds. I have not heard of 50 round magazines.

 

[ButterflyJones]

AR 15 has 20-30 rounds in a magazine, but in some states due to legal restrictions it is 10 rounds. I have not heard of 50 round magazines.

"Disarm the people- that is the best and most effective way to enslave them."
James Madison

The thing is, we know criminals can obtain any gun they want.

Disarm home owners and the criminal element will have a field day.

AR-15 on the street is called a chopper.

Citizens are entitled to have any weapon they want for self defense in a world where gang bangers and other criminal types are armed with military grade weapons.

And another thing. The Constitution does not confer rights and protections upon government. It confers rights and protections to the people.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/an-armed-populace-is-the-bulwark-of-liberty/


"The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."
Samuel Adams

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

[QUOTE"Gideon300, post: 5050210, member: 306029"]I wish that I could get inside the head of the American gun advocate. I might have a better idea of why some Americans are so obsessed. According to statistics I've seen, a bit under half of American households do not have a gun. That in itself I find intriguing,

I am not advocating the end of gun ownership. I'm advocating the end of military style weapons. Your argument about ammo capacity is specious. A knife wielder has limited opportunity. An AR15 has a 50 round magazine. How long does it take to replace an empty magazine with another 50 rounds? That depends on the skill of the shooter, but even a klutz won't take long.
Australians still have the right to own a gun. The kind of gun is controlled. That's the difference. It's not perfect but it's way better than the system in the USA.[/QUOTE]


There really ARE Americans who agree with you Gideon.

 

[ZNP]

Name a false flag mass shooting. I'm curious.

AR 15 has 20-30 rounds in a magazine, but in some states due to legal restrictions it is 10 rounds. I have not heard of 50 round magazines.

Also this notion that "you don't need 50 rounds" is really moronic. I have watched these videos of farmers who hire these guys to shoot feral hogs or coyotes and they will often take out more than 100 in a night. These animals are dangerous and will attack you. You could never use a shotgun, the AR 15 is definitely one weapon that would work and I would definitely want a clip with 30 rounds rather than 10. They hunt them at night with night vision and from far enough away that the hogs don't know what hit them. Still, this approach is dangerous and saying you don't need this rifle for hunting and you don't need this many rounds is simply ignorant.

 

[Eli1]

@Gideon300 , God bless you sir.

 

[Truth01]

Just a query. Are Christian's in America not allowed to open christian schools. Why go for homeschooling above Christian schools?

 

[Moses_Young]

Just a query. Are Christian's in America not allowed to open christian schools. Why go for homeschooling above Christian schools?

Resourcing. Homeschooling is labour intensive. In a free society, it wouldn't be such an issue, but when the government takes so much already, it can be quite difficult to scrape together enough time, money and energy to homeschool (not to mention be expert across a broad range of fields).

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Also this notion that "you don't need 50 rounds" is really moronic. I have watched these videos of farmers who hire these guys to shoot feral hogs or coyotes and they will often take out more than 100 in a night. These animals are dangerous and will attack you. You could never use a shotgun, the AR 15 is definitely one weapon that would work and I would definitely want a clip with 30 rounds rather than 10. They hunt them at night with night vision and from far enough away that the hogs don't know what hit them. Still, this approach is dangerous and saying you don't need this rifle for hunting and you don't need this many rounds is simply ignorant.

I've seen plenty of video footage of the jack rabbit population as a plague to Australian farmers. The commoners cannot be trusted with weapons.

🇬🇧💂We must make the subjects pray to the courts and plead to their queen for their need for such reprehensible weapons assigned to the Royal Army, Sir ZNP.

 

[ZNP]

Just a query. Are Christian's in America not allowed to open christian schools. Why go for homeschooling above Christian schools?

You can pull your kid out of school today and homeschool.

However, to set up a Christian school is far more complicated, involved and expensive.

Two or three families could coordinate with their local church and use the sunday school classrooms for their homeschooling. Again, that could take place in a week.

Sending your child to Christian school, you have to apply, get accepted and then wait till the next semester starts and it is much more expensive than homeschooling.

Finally, homeschooling has a tremendously positive track record. At one point 25% of homeschool applicants to elite universities were being accepted, a much greater rate than from public schools or private schools.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

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New News on the School Shootings

 

[ZNP]

Resourcing. Homeschooling is labour intensive. In a free society, it wouldn't be such an issue, but when the government takes so much already, it can be quite difficult to scrape together enough time, money and energy to homeschool (not to mention be expert across a broad range of fields).

I homeschooled three children very successfully and it is not labor intensive. I was working a 40 hour a week job while homeschooling.

1. On Saturday we went to the library and picked up all the books they would read in the next week. This included books on tape as well as science and history documentary movies which they watched while eating lunch.

2. Math and geography were done using computer programs. I had one computer that two children shared so there was a very specific and detailed schedule they followed for that.

3. Gym was going to Karate at the church. It was a 45 minute walk which they either rode a bicycle to or rollerbladed.

4. Music was playing a violin which involved going to the church again to rehearsal.

The only exams I administered were state exams, and they also were given on the weekend.

Any family trips were considered "school trips" as well.

They only got to see movies if they had first read the book so that also was considered a school trip.

 

[ZNP]

I've seen plenty of video footage of the jack rabbit population as a plague to Australian farmers. The commoners cannot be trusted with weapons.

🇬🇧💂We must make the subjects pray to the courts and plead to their queen for their need for such reprehensible weapons assigned to the Royal Army, Sir ZNP.

I think Australians understand their limitation, not wanting to return to being a penal colony. Gideon lives there he should be able to give more insight into Australia than someone not living there though he appears to also be an expert on the US commenting frequently on our situation as well.

 

[Truth01]

Ok. Makes sense. From what I've been told you have to be a genius to be able to do home schooling correctly so it's probably no wonder that that many home schooled applicants are accepted. However I've been told most people that do home schooling do it wrong

 

[Dude653]

Private Christian schools are a thing probably not everyone has access to one in their area and also probably not everyone can afford the price of admission, especially low income families
Also, the second amendment is up for interpretation which is why we don't allow violent felons to legally own firearms

 

[Moses_Young]

I think Australians understand their limitation, not wanting to return to being a penal colony. Gideon lives there he should be able to give more insight into Australia than someone not living there though he appears to also be an expert on the US commenting frequently on our situation as well.

Don't be deceived. Gideon has as much insight into Australia as he does into the US. These foolish folks who think just because they've lived in a place they somehow know how things works... it doesn't change their folly. Australians were deceived into giving up their guns with a false flag attack decades ago. It was a prison colony after all, and folks were used to bending for the government. The US population has resisted giving up their right to self defence, false flag narrative after false flag narrative.

 

[Cameron143]

I give up a number of rights every time I get in my car. I wear a seat belt. I have a number of safety devices in the car that increased the cost of the car. I had no say in that. I do not have the right to slander people, even though free speech is a freedom we enjoy.

I do not advocate the impossible. I won't say, "let's outlaw cars." They kill a lot of people. I will say, "Outlaw military grade weapons and limit access to guns so that mass murder is much harder to achieve".

I'm not into situation ethics or "what if?" scenarios. What I will say is that it is just as important to be responsible as it is to have rights. Not so many people are interested in responsibility these days. Does a parent have the right to send their children to school without fearing for their safety? Balance that against the right to bear arms.

You give up 0 rights to drive a car. Driving a car is not a right.

 

[ZNP]

Ok. Makes sense. From what I've been told you have to be a genius to be able to do home schooling correctly so it's probably no wonder that that many home schooled applicants are accepted. However I've been told most people that do home schooling do it wrong

Sounds like propaganda. In my experience you have to be a complete and total moron to do homeschooling worse than public school.