Salvation is for the Whole World
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Magenta, post: 5037951
Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on Me will
live because of Me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your fathers, who ate the manna
and died, the one who eats this bread will live forever.” Jesus said this while teaching in the synagogue in
Capernaum. On hearing it, many of His disciples said, “This is a difficult teaching. Who can accept it?”
You have made mention before about a hard teaching of Jesus. Is that ^^ the one? John 6:57-60
Magenta, post: 5037951
Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on Me will
live because of Me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your fathers, who ate the manna
and died, the one who eats this bread will live forever.” Jesus said this while teaching in the synagogue in
Capernaum. On hearing it, many of His disciples said, “This is a difficult teaching. Who can accept it?”
You have made mention before about a hard teaching of Jesus. Is that ^^ the one? John 6:57-60
Just quoting this to hopefully be in the right thread for this panel which was in part inspired by
your insistence that nothing is required of us, for in acting in any way to receive what God has
freely provided for us, according to you, nullifies His grace and disqualifies such from being a gift.
John 1:11-13
I really wanted to start it last night but was exhausted, so designed it this morning .
. Thank you .
your insistence that nothing is required of us, for in acting in any way to receive what God has
freely provided for us, according to you, nullifies His grace and disqualifies such from being a gift.
John 1:11-13
I really wanted to start it last night but was exhausted, so designed it this morning .
. Thank you .
Just quoting this to hopefully be in the right thread for this panel which was in part inspired by
your insistence that nothing is required of us, for in acting in any way to receive what God has
freely provided for us, according to you, nullifies His grace and disqualifies such from being a gift.
John 1:11-13
I really wanted to start it last night but was exhausted, so designed it this morning .. Thank you .
your insistence that nothing is required of us, for in acting in any way to receive what God has
freely provided for us, according to you, nullifies His grace and disqualifies such from being a gift.
John 1:11-13
I really wanted to start it last night but was exhausted, so designed it this morning .
. Thank you .
Hope that makes sense.
"and hearing by the word of God" - to hear spiritually is given by God as a gift to those whom He has so commanded to hear.
It's not a work, but only if it is as a gift given completely of God, otherwise, it becomes a work - our work - in which case, by trusting that we can manufacture and achieve it ourselves, we also turn it into a law, one that we must then fully satisfy, yet no one can become saved by trying to satisfy the law - just the opposite - by that, we demonstrate that we are under law, and therefore, under the wrath of God..
Do you not see that "work" in the following verse is necessary for faith?
Not only is faith a work but it is God's work alone to impart it.
[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
It's not a work, but only if it is as a gift given completely of God, otherwise, it becomes a work - our work - in which case, by trusting that we can manufacture and achieve it ourselves, we also turn it into a law, one that we must then fully satisfy, yet no one can become saved by trying to satisfy the law - just the opposite - by that, we demonstrate that we are under law, and therefore, under the wrath of God..
Do you not see that "work" in the following verse is necessary for faith?
Not only is faith a work but it is God's work alone to impart it.
[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Not really, since you admit they "have to believe" at the same time as saying they must not do anything.
Anyways, Scripture is clear that we do do something... certainly along the lines of co-operating with God.
We hear, we believe, we accept His free gift of grace. None of those are works.
Anyways, Scripture is clear that we do do something... certainly along the lines of co-operating with God.
We hear, we believe, we accept His free gift of grace. None of those are works.
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Should we actually be required to do any of the things you've mentioned (which we are not), they would then be our works - the works of law, by which, no one can become saved.
I never admitted any such thing nor would I ever - that statement is diametrically opposed and in conflict with my beliefs. I've said that true belief comes as a fruit of the Spirit from being born-again from having been saved - all of grace and God, nothing of ourselves.
Just to be clear, should anyone believe that they must contribute anything, no matter how miniscule, in order to become saved, they in effect are saying that Christ's offering as Saviour was insufficient in and of itself for salvation, and therefore, they remain under the law of works.
I never admitted any such thing nor would I ever - that statement is diametrically opposed and in conflict with my beliefs. I've said that true belief comes as a fruit of the Spirit from being born-again from having been saved - all of grace and God, nothing of ourselves.
Just to be clear, should anyone believe that they must contribute anything, no matter how miniscule, in order to become saved, they in effect are saying that Christ's offering as Saviour was insufficient in and of itself for salvation, and therefore, they remain under the law of works.
