You should find out yourself. You're not going to drag me into one of your boring debates that have been repeated over and over and over again. They go NOWHERE.
No major doctrines changed?
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You should find out yourself. You're not going to drag me into one of your boring debates that have been repeated over and over and over again. They go NOWHERE.
What‘s the reconciliation of 2 Samuel 21:19 in the modern versions? And as always, thank you for the kind words.
I really respect your self-restraint.
I have always read the KJV, but I am well read on all the English classics and the amazing English poets so to me other versions sound flat.
I like the exalted language and if someone wants to put in the effort it is still very understandable/readable.
But I also do appreciate the fidelity to the correct pronouns, this is far more important over and above the archaic words found in post #74
Someday I may research all this further, I think it is good to be informed of all sides.
It's you who refuses to see truth! Get some integrity and there will be far less disagreement!
The root of the problem is not that there are issues with the text. The problem is that your criticism of other translations is hypocritical. You employ double standards, as most (if not all) KJV-only advocates do, because your position cannot be maintained without double standards.
Your vaunted KJV has a clear, blatant contradiction (several, actually, but only one is needed); no amount of "reconciliation" will change that. You harp on similar or identical issues in other translations and won't even begin to consider that there are comparable reconciliations that are equally satisfying to those who use those translations. You do this repeatedly, pretending that the reconciliation you provide for Ahaziah's age at the beginning of his reign should be accepted by others as valid, while rejecting every attempt to explain issues in other translations.
Frankly, it borders on a sickness.
Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him." (KJV)
John 19:14-16 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away." (KJV)
Case closed.
John 19:14-16 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away." (KJV)
Case closed.
Psalm 19:14
That reminds me of one of my favorite worship songs!
Scripture Memory Songs - Let The Words (Original Version)
(Written by Don Moen; Sung by Rita Baloche)
Keep back Your servant from presumptuous sins
Let them not have dominion over me
Then shall I be upright and innocent
From great transgression
Let the words
Of my mouth
And the meditation
Of my heart
Be acceptable
In Your sight, O Lord
My strength
My redeemer
(Written by Don Moen; Sung by Rita Baloche)
Keep back Your servant from presumptuous sins
Let them not have dominion over me
Then shall I be upright and innocent
From great transgression
Let the words
Of my mouth
And the meditation
Of my heart
Be acceptable
In Your sight, O Lord
My strength
My redeemer
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I really respect your self-restraint.
I have always read the KJV, but I am well read on all the English classics and the amazing English poets so to me other versions sound flat.
I like the exalted language and if someone wants to put in the effort it is still very understandable/readable.
But I also do appreciate the fidelity to the correct pronouns, this is far more important over and above the archaic words found in post #74
Someday I may research all this further, I think it is good to be informed of all sides.
I've been a fan of English Literature since I was 16. It doesn't present any problems. That's just a personal interest though.
I don't expect everyone to share it.
The works of Shakespeare and the collection of books we call The Bible don't serve the same purpose.
Shakespeare is not needed to support doctrine or explain the method of eternal salvation.
The Biblical record is better served when translated directly from the original languages to the target language we use now.
I don't see why the entire English-speaking world should do specialist studies of archaic forms of English in order to read what is
readily available in clear language. People aren't lacking comprehension or reading skills because they don't know how differently
"bowels" was used 400 years ago.
If a translation was not "entirely accurate" would it have had the place of preeminence for over 400 years? Examine the commentaries of conservative Christian theologians and you will note that not one of them questioned the accuracy or the reliability of the King James Bible. God had His hand over this Bible as the Gospel went out into all the world. And had it not been for two deceivers (primarily) i.e. Westcott and Hort, the English-speaking world would have continued with an updated KJV from the 19th century.
But in spite of all the efforts of modern "critics" to undermine the traditional texts and to promote the CORRUPT critical texts, the King James Bible continues to hold a high place of esteem among discerning Christians. What is extremely sad and disturbing is that so many preachers failed to do their due diligence and began promoting the modern versions without taking the time to carefully check them out. What is even more disturbing is that fundamentalist seminaries, Bible schools and colleges all jumped on the Wescott-Hort bandwagon instead of totally rejecting their false theory and their corrupt critical texts. THIS SHOWS THE POWER OF THE BIG LIE. If you repeat a lie long enough and without let up, it suddenly becomes the truth. And who is the Father of all lies?
I've been a fan of English Literature since I was 16. It doesn't present any problems. That's just a personal interest though.
I don't expect everyone to share it.
The works of Shakespeare and the collection of books we call The Bible don't serve the same purpose.
Shakespeare is not needed to support doctrine or explain the method of eternal salvation.
The Biblical record is better served when translated directly from the original languages to the target language we use now.
I don't see why the entire English-speaking world should do specialist studies of archaic forms of English in order to read what is
readily available in clear language. People aren't lacking comprehension or reading skills because they don't know how differently
"bowels" was used 400 years ago.
As a lit. major, I just love the KJV because it brings me back to classical poetry from Donne and Shakespeare. King James English is so poetic and lyrical.
However, more modern translations are better suited to current cultural/language usages, and modern language translations like the NKJV, NIV, and RSV have translation integrity while expressing the literary modern expressions of the texts.
One of the more marginal modern translations that gets overlooked is the Moffatt. He is a highly credentialed scholar/translator, and his version has the best flow for reading smoothness and depth. I highly recommend this translation as a worthy addition to our personal Christian libraries!
As a lit. major, I just love the KJV because it brings me back to classical poetry from Donne and Shakespeare. King James English is so poetic and lyrical.
However, more modern translations are better suited to current cultural/language usages, and modern language translations like the NKJV, NIV, and RSV have translation integrity while expressing the literary modern expressions of the texts.
One of the more marginal modern translations that gets overlooked is the Moffatt. He is a highly credentialed scholar/translator, and his version has the best flow for reading smoothness and depth. I highly recommend this translation as a worthy addition to our personal Christian libraries!
I've never heard of it. I'll see if I can find a copy of it....
Okay! Found it at Archive.org!
The Old Testament: a new translation by James Moffatt
The New Testament: a new translation by James Moffatt
They're both downloadable in different formats!
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Acts 12:4 has the inaccurate word "Easter" which should be rendered "Passover."
I Timothy 6:10 should be, "For the love of money is a [not the] root of all evil . . . ."
Hebrews 4:8 should be "Joshua" rather than "Jesus", although these two words are Hebrew and Greek equivalents.
The main issue I have with Moffatt's translation is he moved some chapters and sections around in certain books to try and synchronize the flow of the ideas/storyline. He captures some great literary expressions from the original Hebrew and Greek languages. I feel like I'm reading great poetry/prose from highly skilled classical writers!