how did Satan manage to appear as a snake.
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If He knew it was going to happen from millennia past, how could He be disappointed?
I hear phrases like that a lot:
"God is above time."
"God dwells outside of time."
I'm not so sure about that...
That's what I'm questioning. Again:
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Also, Maxwell did a couple of posts on it earlier today:
https://christianchat.com/threads/how-did-satan-manage-to-appear-as-a-snake.210084/post-5039975
https://christianchat.com/threads/how-did-satan-manage-to-appear-as-a-snake.210084/post-5040403[/QUOTE]
I hear phrases like that a lot:
"God is above time."
"God dwells outside of time."
I'm not so sure about that...
That's what I'm questioning. Again:
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Also, Maxwell did a couple of posts on it earlier today:
https://christianchat.com/threads/how-did-satan-manage-to-appear-as-a-snake.210084/post-5039975
https://christianchat.com/threads/how-did-satan-manage-to-appear-as-a-snake.210084/post-5040403[/QUOTE]
From what I read Satan can not create. Its written "Ezekiel 28:13-15 “You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. 14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 “You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.
John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Then we read in Rev about the dragon and all this is how many Scholars "agree" the serpent in the garden was Satan. Yet that is not written. Some believe that 'serpent" was just allegory but really meant Satan or symbolic. So if Satan took over some serpent that did not crawl at the time and was not in control.. what God takes its out on the serpent? Is this how God treated a possessed person in the word? So from what I read and understand Satan cannot create. I do not see demons and fallen angels as the same. Demons are again as I read and understand disembodied spirits its why they are always seeking someone to possess. Angels just feel they still are have everything God gave them just cast out.
See other things we don't know about is before the flood could have been billions and billons of people and how many were part angel part man. Some believe those are the demons since they were never meant to be but we don't know. I am not one for what ever Satan does its because God allows. God calls Satan the "god" of this world. God does not have the right to do anything He likes in this world for Christ even said "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
The demons said when they saw Christ have you come to torment us before our "time". So its clear there is time limit on this when this lease is up then watch what GOD does.
God is not bound by the physical laws of this hmm realm. He is out side of it. He said "My name is Jehovah, and I know the end from the beginning; therefore my hand shall be over thee”. We say 1+1 is 2. its written " with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day". It says "is as". Things like is why some say He is out side of time and space. The fact that after Christ died He just appears out of no where. He is not bound by the physical laws and dimensions of this world which is under a curse but Christ died on the cross for its written "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us." Then we know john 3:16 "shall not die". We never taste death.
Its not written Satan is like a roaring lion seeming whom the lord allows him to devour nor did Christ say Satan comes to kill steal and destroy only as God allows. No some read parts of the word then insert something as in speculation and then apply to the rest. Speculation...does make one wonder if since we handed gave to Satan what was ours and God now calls him god of this world what were we before the fall that had all this? Would He say "we are gods of this world"
See not gods its that authority over something. We take the word god and then compare to the real GREAT I AM and.. yeah not even close.
So I don't think I answered your question since there is no answer. What matters what I focus on is Christ came died and gave us all power all authority over the enemy. All of this is not something He chose to share and knowing it now would do nothing but cause more fear. Why we can't see into the spirit realm. We just have no right to know. He will share it all after all this
John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Then we read in Rev about the dragon and all this is how many Scholars "agree" the serpent in the garden was Satan. Yet that is not written. Some believe that 'serpent" was just allegory but really meant Satan or symbolic. So if Satan took over some serpent that did not crawl at the time and was not in control.. what God takes its out on the serpent? Is this how God treated a possessed person in the word? So from what I read and understand Satan cannot create. I do not see demons and fallen angels as the same. Demons are again as I read and understand disembodied spirits its why they are always seeking someone to possess. Angels just feel they still are have everything God gave them just cast out.
See other things we don't know about is before the flood could have been billions and billons of people and how many were part angel part man. Some believe those are the demons since they were never meant to be but we don't know. I am not one for what ever Satan does its because God allows. God calls Satan the "god" of this world. God does not have the right to do anything He likes in this world for Christ even said "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
The demons said when they saw Christ have you come to torment us before our "time". So its clear there is time limit on this when this lease is up then watch what GOD does.
God is not bound by the physical laws of this hmm realm. He is out side of it. He said "My name is Jehovah, and I know the end from the beginning; therefore my hand shall be over thee”. We say 1+1 is 2. its written " with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day". It says "is as". Things like is why some say He is out side of time and space. The fact that after Christ died He just appears out of no where. He is not bound by the physical laws and dimensions of this world which is under a curse but Christ died on the cross for its written "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us." Then we know john 3:16 "shall not die". We never taste death.
Its not written Satan is like a roaring lion seeming whom the lord allows him to devour nor did Christ say Satan comes to kill steal and destroy only as God allows. No some read parts of the word then insert something as in speculation and then apply to the rest. Speculation...does make one wonder if since we handed gave to Satan what was ours and God now calls him god of this world what were we before the fall that had all this? Would He say "we are gods of this world"
See not gods its that authority over something. We take the word god and then compare to the real GREAT I AM and.. yeah not even close. So I don't think I answered your question since there is no answer. What matters what I focus on is Christ came died and gave us all power all authority over the enemy. All of this is not something He chose to share and knowing it now would do nothing but cause more fear. Why we can't see into the spirit realm. We just have no right to know. He will share it all after all this
It is possible to be dissapointed without being surprised. It is the same with the Fall in the Garden. You must keep in mind that there is another side to this coin. He knew that some would become overcomers through faith in the blood of His Son. Our minds are limited, though. It is ok to not be able to wrap our heads around everything. Just know that He loves us.
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Joshua 10.3
So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on[a] its enemies,
as it is written in the Book of Jashar.
The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
Let me put this into context,
In order to make time stand still you you must also be able to control time, the only way people could control time in some way is to possibly travel at the speed of light, but for God to make time stand still is different, why because he is everything, light matter earth water and even time it's self, God is eternal.
Gods Time is already expressed in the bible, which is a different time to ours.
2 Peter 3:8
beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Here we see time almost standing still for God. a thousand years could have passed on earth if you had been with God for just 1 day.
It could be that very fabrics of our whole universe is traveling at the desired speed God allows, should he speed it up the orbital speeds in which our earth orbits our sun, time Goes slower on earth . Could also be if reversed the speed, time goes backwards,
Teleportation in Bible has more than one insertion, all he has to do is transport one person to a different place for 5 minutes and he will see there whole life, past present and future,
So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on[a] its enemies,
as it is written in the Book of Jashar.
The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
Let me put this into context,
In order to make time stand still you you must also be able to control time, the only way people could control time in some way is to possibly travel at the speed of light, but for God to make time stand still is different, why because he is everything, light matter earth water and even time it's self, God is eternal.
Gods Time is already expressed in the bible, which is a different time to ours.
2 Peter 3:8
beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Here we see time almost standing still for God. a thousand years could have passed on earth if you had been with God for just 1 day.
It could be that very fabrics of our whole universe is traveling at the desired speed God allows, should he speed it up the orbital speeds in which our earth orbits our sun, time Goes slower on earth . Could also be if reversed the speed, time goes backwards,
Teleportation in Bible has more than one insertion, all he has to do is transport one person to a different place for 5 minutes and he will see there whole life, past present and future,
Good post. Interesting topic.
Is it possible that man (even modern man) does not have a full and complete understanding of the true nature of space and time? Is it possible that God couches concepts and explanations in terms that He knows man can easily grasp? Are we sure that time and space are linear in nature? Only recently has man discovered that movement in timespace can be altered by velocity. I have often pondered upon the possibility that the soul might be whisked straight to the Rapture (or WTJ) at the twinkling of an eye at time of physical separation from the body (but I digress.)
Is it possible that man (even modern man) does not have a full and complete understanding of the true nature of space and time? Is it possible that God couches concepts and explanations in terms that He knows man can easily grasp? Are we sure that time and space are linear in nature? Only recently has man discovered that movement in timespace can be altered by velocity. I have often pondered upon the possibility that the soul might be whisked straight to the Rapture (or WTJ) at the twinkling of an eye at time of physical separation from the body (but I digress.
)Thank you... But if God gave people direct answers about every question they had about the Bible, we would all believe the same thing, there would be no division. Also, sometimes there are people with opposing views who are both convinced they learned them directly from God. That, obviously, is not possible.
God gave us His Word. It's up to us to do the best we can to figure it out, to understand it. I'm not saying God does not help people understand. He definitely does. He wants everyone to come to an understanding of the truth (1 Tim 2:4b).
God gave us His Word. It's up to us to do the best we can to figure it out, to understand it. I'm not saying God does not help people understand. He definitely does. He wants everyone to come to an understanding of the truth (1 Tim 2:4b).
I think the reason why God doesn't tell us everything and that we don't agree all the time is to learn to work together. Bond over the most important beliefs but not argue with each other over non-salvific issues.
I also think He doesn't tell us everything that's non-salvific because He wants us to ask Him ourselves. That gives both you and the Lord opportunity to enrich your fellowship with Him.
I also think He doesn't tell us everything that's non-salvific because He wants us to ask Him ourselves. That gives both you and the Lord opportunity to enrich your fellowship with Him.
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