What Does It Teach Us?

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Magenta

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If the Bible were written during our time, how many times would Jesus have had to said, "No, I didn't say that!
I said this!"?
"That's fake news!"

"You have fallen prey to a conspiracy theory!"
 

Nehemiah6

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Does physical birth teach anything concerning spiritual birth? If so, what?
Well for one thing an infant cannot be "unborn" and return to its mother's womb. Neither can a child of God be unborn and return to his or her previous state. This in itself undercuts any idea about losing one's salvation, But God chastens his children when they get out of line, and those who fail to repent may even die prematurely. That is called "the sin unto death". But salvation remains secure, since eternal life is a gift of God's grace.
 

Cameron143

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Well for one thing an infant cannot be "unborn" and return to its mother's womb. Neither can a child of God be unborn and return to his or her previous state. This in itself undercuts any idea about losing one's salvation, But God chastens his children when they get out of line, and those who fail to repent may even die prematurely. That is called "the sin unto death". But salvation remains secure, since eternal life is a gift of God's grace.
Thanks. I appreciate you sharing.
 
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Romans 1:20 tells us that the invisible things of God can be understood by the things that are seen.
In John 3 Jesus tells Nicodemus that he must be born again.
Does physical birth teach anything concerning spiritual birth? If so, what?
Yes.Adam is made in the image of the water and Eve in the image of the blood.The two are to become one like the Covenants.
The spirit, water, and the blood are everywhere in his creation because the water and the blood are the two who bare witness on the earth.They are his Two Witnesses of Revelation.

Adams life giving parts have the water, and the blood and so does Eve.His testicles are in the image of the water, and the blood, and Eves Ovaries are in the image of the water and the blood.
Adams parts hang below and Eves parts hang above.
Jesus said to the scribes and Pharisees "you are from below and I am from aboveYou are of this world.I am not of this world".
All who are unrepented are from below.
The Pharisees and Sadducees were testing/accusing John while he was baptizing people,and they were rebuked with the truth .That's why satan is the accuser.
Same thing with Adam and Eve at the garden.What did the Adam do?He blamed Eve for breaking Gods covenant rather than repenting.

When the sperm leaves Adam it is already a spirit, and the water, and the blood are there to make a way for the sperm to enter Eve.And when it enters and leave Eve,the water and the blood are there also as witnesses.Not only that,while the baby is passing over,it is being washed with the water and the blood as it leaves Eves body.That baby is born of the flesh.It was spirit before that.
The baby is blameless in Gods eyes till the baby understands right from wrong and breaks Gods covenants.


Here's another good one.God curses the serpent and says on your belly you shall crawl and dust you will eat all the days of your life.
Now Google our back bone anatomy.it looks like a serpent.Our tail bone is the serpent head.

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.

If you are lifted up and not on your belly any more, God makes a way for you by excreting the waste of the serpent out of our bodies and even that waste fertilizes the earth.
The false prophets are the tail right?so the tail is the human head.
This is why even though we are to be born of the spirit,we still struggle against the flesh.we're still of the flesh till we die.We don't have to live that way.We find rest under the vine.

It's a every day battle.God cursed the ground,the dirt.We are what we eat till the curse is gone and we can eat the fruits of heaven.
 

Cameron143

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Yes.Adam is made in the image of the water and Eve in the image of the blood.The two are to become one like the Covenants.
The spirit, water, and the blood are everywhere in his creation because the water and the blood are the two who bare witness on the earth.They are his Two Witnesses of Revelation.

Adams life giving parts have the water, and the blood and so does Eve.His testicles are in the image of the water, and the blood, and Eves Ovaries are in the image of the water and the blood.
Adams parts hang below and Eves parts hang above.
Jesus said to the scribes and Pharisees "you are from below and I am from aboveYou are of this world.I am not of this world".
All who are unrepented are from below.
The Pharisees and Sadducees were testing/accusing John while he was baptizing people,and they were rebuked with the truth .That's why satan is the accuser.
Same thing with Adam and Eve at the garden.What did the Adam do?He blamed Eve for breaking Gods covenant rather than repenting.

When the sperm leaves Adam it is already a spirit, and the water, and the blood are there to make a way for the sperm to enter Eve.And when it enters and leave Eve,the water and the blood are there also as witnesses.Not only that,while the baby is passing over,it is being washed with the water and the blood as it leaves Eves body.That baby is born of the flesh.It was spirit before that.
The baby is blameless in Gods eyes till the baby understands right from wrong and breaks Gods covenants.


Here's another good one.God curses the serpent and says on your belly you shall crawl and dust you will eat all the days of your life.
Now Google our back bone anatomy.it looks like a serpent.Our tail bone is the serpent head.

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.

If you are lifted up and not on your belly any more, God makes a way for you by excreting the waste of the serpent out of our bodies and even that waste fertilizes the earth.
The false prophets are the tail right?so the tail is the human head.
This is why even though we are to be born of the spirit,we still struggle against the flesh.we're still of the flesh till we die.We don't have to live that way.We find rest under the vine.

It's a every day battle.God cursed the ground,the dirt.We are what we eat till the curse is gone and we can eat the fruits of heaven.
I appreciate the time you spent putting all that together. I'm more interested in what physical birth teaches about spiritual birth. Do you have anything you can share about that directly?
 

Mem

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If you are lifted up and not on your belly any more, God makes a way for you by excreting the waste of the serpent out of our bodies and even that waste fertilizes the earth.
Oh my, humanure! There had better be proper labeling on any and all produce if anyone tries to sell what's been fertilized by that stuff! :sick:
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes, I understand it's a natural question to ask. It was such a quick turn to the comical rather than the serious that I was referring to.
When you are born it's the beginning you have no past sins to be held against you your fresh and new and clean. You are just ready to begin to learn from your parents about your life and the world . When you are born your a child of man born again a child of God .

Just like a baby isn't expected to work full time at a factory and earn Thier keep , but instead they are just loved and taught and cared for , after a while they learn to walk, later they learn grown up things and are expected to work Thier job and provide


Both are a process you are born in Christ and also you grow in him just as were born in life and grow Into it
 

Cameron143

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When you are born it's the beginning you have no past sins to be held against you your fresh and new and clean. You are just ready to begin to learn from your parents about your life and the world . When you are born your a child of man born again a child of God .

Just like a baby isn't expected to work full time at a factory and earn Thier keep , but instead they are just loved and taught and cared for , after a while they learn to walk, later they learn grown up things and are expected to work Thier job and provide


Both are a process you are born in Christ and also you grow in him just as were born in life and grow Into it
Thanks as always for your input brother.
 
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Romans 1:20 tells us that the invisible things of God can be understood by the things that are seen.
In John 3 Jesus tells Nicodemus that he must be born again.
Does physical birth teach anything concerning spiritual birth? If so, what?
Well, it's similar in that a new person is there, and also perhaps it can involve pain insofar as overcoming sin is a struggle. Of course, it can be very happy and joyful in an unpainful way when you are saved too.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Thanks as always for your input brother.
Born again is a concept presented to people who believe in Jesus basic faith


He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:10‭-‬13 KJV


For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:26‭-‬29 KJV

When we receive the holy spirit of Jesus were being born as Gods child even if we're thirty were being born anew in Gods eyes
 

Cameron143

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Well, it's similar in that a new person is there, and also perhaps it can involve pain insofar as overcoming sin is a struggle. Of course, it can be very happy and joyful in an unpainful way when you are saved too.
Thanks for sharing.
 

Cameron143

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The OP threw me into a wondering loop about the significance of The Father saying, "This day I have begotten Thee" after the Holy Spirit alit upon Jesus... It seems certain that there's a connection there, somewhere, to being born (again)?
OP is not responsible for any loopy thinking...disclaimer, disclaimer.
 

Cameron143

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The OP threw me into a wondering loop about the significance of The Father saying, "This day I have begotten Thee" after the Holy Spirit alit upon Jesus... It seems certain that there's a connection there, somewhere, to being born (again)?
I missed this earlier. Thanks for sharing. Is this just a tease? Do you have a connection for us?
 
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Romans 1:20 tells us that the invisible things of God can be understood by the things that are seen.
In John 3 Jesus tells Nicodemus that he must be born again.
Does physical birth teach anything concerning spiritual birth? If so, what?
Hi Cameron! When you are born again spiritually, it is seen physically as a changed life. It is a complete 180 degree turn. No man can enter God's kingdom without being born again. You will know you are born again when you experienced death first in the flesh, not a literal death, but Jesus was crucified so that we might live righteously for him without us having to die physically. Dying in the flesh means putting to death the lusts of the flesh. Have you experienced this?
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Just like a baby isn't expected to work full time at a factory and earn Thier keep , but instead they are just loved and taught and cared for , after a while they learn to walk, later they learn grown up things and are expected to work Thier job and provide
That sentence reminded me of this video short:

He been alive a day and already sick of it lol


Lol, one of the top comments says: "He looks like he has to work a double shift because his lazy as* coworker called off, lol"

PS - That side-eye, lol! Like, his boss just told him about the double shift!
 

Cameron143

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Hi Cameron! When you are born again spiritually, it is seen physically as a changed life. It is a complete 180 degree turn. No man can enter God's kingdom without being born again. You will know you are born again when you experienced death first in the flesh, not a literal death, but Jesus was crucified so that we might live righteously for him without us having to die physically. Dying in the flesh means putting to death the lusts of the flesh. Have you experienced this?
Thanks for sharing. And thanks for your concern for my soul. I've been saved for about 30 years.
 

Mem

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I've often heard the signs of its coming as "the birthpangs of Messiah."

John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again (begotten from above)."

John 3: 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.


John 3: 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man (who is in heaven). 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life (in Him).

Aren't we to be carried in/by Christ into the kingdom come?

Seems to me that we are begotten from above, of water (that Jesus offers; John 3 31The One who comes from above is above all. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks as one from the earth. The One who comes from heaven is above all.h 32He testifies to what He has seen and heard, yet no one accepts His testimony. 33Whoever accepts His testimony has certified that God is truthful. 34For the One whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.) and the Spirit.