Why Moses and Elijah were at the transfiguration.

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

anyone else see this cliff? Well Ok I'm going to jump off here haha. I heard something and since its not written I do not put faith in it yet it was interesting. To make it short if we break down all God said He would show Moses (Himself) and since God is out side of time.. What Moses saw in his day was Christ on that MTN. There was so much more which I will not dive into.

We doubt it from the start but it makes you think. Well where is God? He is right now in the past and with us and in the future. He is out side time.. I am done letting lost already haha

Oh wow, that's something to think about!!!

 

[Magenta]

anyone else see this cliff? Well Ok I'm going to jump off here haha. I heard something and since
its not written I do not put faith in it yet it was interesting. To make it short if we break down all God
said He would show Moses (Himself) and since God is out side of time.. What Moses saw in his day was
Christ on that MTN. There was so much more which I will not dive into.

We doubt it from the start but it makes you think. Well where is God? He is right now in the past
and with us and in the future. He is out side time.. I am done letting lost already haha

Do you think that since God transcends time and space, it means He cannot intersect with it? .

 

[Pilgrimshope]

By which foundation you mean the belief in His diety?
Peter is not the Rock upon which the church of God, bought with His own blood, is built.
The belief Peter expressed is: that Jesus Christ is omniscient God manifest in the flesh. Messiah. Son of God.

There are two different words in Matthew 16:18 that are translated to our pagan language as 'rock' - one means a pebble, that's Simon's name. The other means a large boulder, and that's what Christ said He is building His church on.

I thought this was well known among protestants...?

amen but I think it also works on both levels , the apostles writings and really the lives they lives moreso and then the deaths they died but thier letters are the founding of our faith they witnessed the gospel to us thoer eyes witnessed it and they wrote it down and died to preach it to the world

and so on some level in eternal matters in Gods sight and so on ours , the pebble is actually part of the foundation is all I mean to say

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

while also agreeing with your assessment of faith in Christ being our rock , that faith came to us because of the apostles endurance in the faith of Jesus Christ all the gospels we hear at church and read in the Bible came from the apostles and witnesses like Peter the pebble
( feels like discussing an episode of the flintstones kind of 😂)

 

[Cameron143]

Do you think that since God transcends time and space, it means He cannot intersect with it? .

He slammed right into me one day at a busy intersection.

 

[Magenta]

He slammed right into me one day at a busy intersection.

Sounds near fatal, bro. Death to the old man!!! .

 

[Cameron143]

Sounds near fatal, bro. Death to the old man!!! .

Aaaaaaamen.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

At 120 years old his eyes and muscles and lungs had not degraded. His body, apparently, God spared from decay. And God hid his body, burying it Himself.
So why does Satan want such a body. Why that one?
Same reason, I imagine, that the people of Sodom were desperate to get the bodies of the angels, and the men of Gibeah were desperate to get the body of 'a certain Levite'

What were they doing with the bodies? How did they become so rich and have so much idle time when they were killing every stranger that came to town? They weren't forcing everyone into slave labor. They somehow became very powerful - the men of Gibeah could split a hair with a rock.
And the men of Sodom, all of them, young and old, were willing to risk a war with Abraham to get their hands on the body of an angel.
Abraham had the most powerful army in the region. He had rescued all the people of Sodom after they were defeated in battle.

Think about it.

Thanks.Those would be some good verses to looking into and think on.

 

[posthuman]

Do you think that since God transcends time and space, it means He cannot intersect with it? .

Or intersects with it at every point?

 

[Magenta]

Or intersects with it at every point?

¡aun mejor! .

 

[cv5]

Scripture isn't silent about Moses. He definitely wasn't 'assumed into heaven' as Elijah went up. He physically died. His body and bones were left on earth. Satan and Michael even argued about his corpse.

And Deuteronomy 18:15-19 does not say Moses will return, not at all. It says "someone like Moses" and it is the go-to passage for the foretelling of Christ, the Messiah.

Something else that escapes the attention of most people:
Moses DID in fact finally enter the Promised Land at the Transfiguration......

 

[F2F]

Does not all scripture testify of Him?

Proverbs 22:12
The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, but He overthrows the words of the faithless.

Is our Savior the one whose words are overthrown?
How then do you have any confidence in Him?

I thought some honesty on your part would prevail but sadly not. The Master had doubts, concerns and feared death. I can see this is a tough subject for you.

 

[F2F]

Isaiah 13:2-4
Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.

I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the Lord of hosts mustereth the host of the battle

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

In Isaiah 13 his sanctified ones are His Two Witnesses, and his mighty ones are his remnant.


Isaiah 25:6-8
And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Isaiah 43:7-10
everyone who is called by my name,
whom I created for my glory,
whom I formed and made.”
Lead out those who have eyes but are blind,
who have ears but are deaf.
All the nations gather together
and the peoples assemble.
Which of their gods foretold this
and proclaimed to us the former things?
Let them bring in their witnesses to prove they were right,
so that others may hear and say, “It is true.”
“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.


The Lord is saying let "them" bring in their "witnesses" to prove they were right.
Their "witnesses" being The Two Witnesses of Revelation and "them" being the ones who stand on mount Zion with the Lamb.

In Zechariah 4,is Zerubbabel literally coming to finish it?or was the Lord speaking of his remnant?
Look what happens to Joshua in the chapter before Zechariah 4.

Zechariah 3
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.(his two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth)

Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

Lifted, copy and pasting a bunch of quotes does nothing for me...it's actually a waste of both our time. Less is more....and provide an understanding, this goes a long way.

 

[F2F]

By which foundation you mean the belief in His diety?
Peter is not the Rock upon which the church of God, bought with His own blood, is built.
The belief Peter expressed is: that Jesus Christ is omniscient God manifest in the flesh. Messiah. Son of God.

So close Post!
Maybe go back and look at Matt 16:16 again.
I think you have placed your own words in Peters mouth, tut tut!

It's subtle how Christians change the Word of God into a lie....but it happens all the time.

F2F

 

[F2F]

The body of Moses had special qualities, see Deuteronomy 34:7

Wow you are on a roll.
The point the writer is making is that Moses was in good health and him being put to death as decreed by God was His doing and not that of natural causes.

 

[VARob]

Wow you are on a roll.
The point the writer is making is that Moses was in good health and him being put to death as decreed by God was His doing and not that of natural causes.

Moses was not "put to death." He died.

 

[F2F]

@everyone re Romans 14:23

But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith.

Doubts are perfectly normal; the Lord Jesus had them as do we....it's only a sin if we act on them.

Here is an example

And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”

Red text is showing the Lords doubts in drinking the cup of suffering which His Father wanted him to drink i.e be crucified. You will also see Jesus had an alternative mind / will present than his Father; something he put to death daily. If Jesus had resisted going to the cross by trying to find another way himself this would have been sin!

Blue text is God's Way / Mind / Will

 

[F2F]

Moses was not "put to death." He died.

From what?

 

[VARob]

From what?

The Bible does not say.

 

[F2F]

The Bible does not say.

To labour and not to see the end of our labours; to sow and not to reap; to be removed from the earthly scene before our work has
been appreciated, and when it is still carried on not by ourselves but by others—is a law so common in the highest characters
of history that none can be said altogether exempt from it."

It does it's just the thought of it is to hard for you to bare.

F2F

 

[F2F]

Consider the perfection which only Yahweh exhibits.

Moses died on his birthday; the first day of the eleventh month (Deut 1:3; 31:2). Based on the religious year this would approximate to
February; and Israel kept the Passover the following month. 120 years suggests a period of probation (3 X 40s = complete probation). It was the period of probation given the people prior to the Flood (Gen 6:3).

Moses occupied 40 years in Egypt being trained as a Ruler (Acts 7:33), forty years in the wilderness being trained as a Shepherd (Acts 7:30), and forty years in active experience as Lawgiver and Leader.

Connect the dots.

F2F