Salvation is for the Whole World

[Cameron143]

One more question. Did Adam and Eve have any choice while in the garden. It seems God gave them a choice. I could be wrong, but it looks like satan had a choice as an angel while in Heaven. If not, then it appears God didn’t allow them to Believe. I wonder why?

They each had unfettered freewill. They were not tainted in any way by sin.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I’m afraid you have misunderstood myself and others who rely on Jesus, and Jesus alone for our salvation. Your vocabulary and writing reflects someone that still has questions. I’m sorry you cannot see that myself and others are interested in your Spiritual growth.

Sorry, you will never convince me that spiritual faith is the cause of my eternal deliverance.

My spiritual faith has delivered me many times, as I sojourn here on earth, but only by God's grace in including me as one of those that he gave to his Son to redeem from our sins has delivered me eternally.

 

[VARob]

Sorry, you will never convince me that spiritual faith is the cause of my eternal deliverance.

My spiritual faith has delivered me many times, as I sojourn here on earth, but only by God's grace in including me as one of those that he gave to his Son to redeem from our sins has delivered me eternally.

What "delivered you eternally" is your decision to believe the gospel.

 

[Cameron143]

What "delivered you eternally" is your decision to believe the gospel.

What delivers someone eternally was Jesus death on the cross.

 

[VARob]

What delivers someone eternally was Jesus death on the cross.

People have to choose to believe it.

 

[Cameron143]

People have to choose to believe it.

I'm simply making a statement of cause and effect. Jesus death makes eternal life possible. Being born from above makes it effectual to the individual.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Then why does the Word say "Believe on me, receive me, harken, come on to me" etc, etc. Seems rather dumb when we are not able to do any of it. Guess theirs no point in praying for unsaved loved ones anymore.

The etc's you have mentioned are all directed to God's disobedient born again children. These are the ones that we are to pray for, just like Paul prayed for the disobedient children of God to turn away from their dependence upon their good works for their eternal deliverance., in Rom 10:1-3.

 

[Magenta]

They each had unfettered freewill. They were not tainted in any way by sin.

Once they sinned, this happened:

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent
place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."

 

[NOV25]

Then why does the Word say "Believe on me, receive me, harken, come on to me" etc, etc. Seems rather dumb when we are not able to do any of it. Guess theirs no point in praying for unsaved loved ones anymore.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

As Eph 1:13 clearly states, God did that when we heard the gospel and decided to believe it.

Eph 1:13: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

When we are born again, we are but babes in Christ until we mature enough to come unto a knowledge of the gospel, and when we do, we are sealed ( given an earnest [pledge] of our inheritance) with that Spirit of promise.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I think you will agree that there are people that want nothing to do with God, while others truly seek His will for their lives. Do you think ones attitude has any influence on salvation?

No, but I do think that when one is born again, salvation has an attitude change on the newborn babe in Christ.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

6:29. Jesus' response to their question was a flat contradiction of their thinking. They could not please God by doing good works. There is only one work of God, that is, one thing God requires. They need to put their trust(Faith)- in the One the Father has sent.Because of their sin people cannot please God by doing good works for salvation (Ep 2:8-9; Tit 3:5). God demands that people recognize their inability to save themselves and receive His gift (Ro 6:23).

Salvation, according to Strong's concordance means "deliverance".

Born again children of God are pleasing God, and being delivered (saved) by their good works, when they are walking in his ways, by obeying his commandments, as they sojourn here on earth.

 

[NOV25]

The entirety of scripture is God’s commands, man’s INABILITY and need for a savior. But leave it to Arminians to miss the point and get it backwards, “why does the Word say "Believe on me, receive me, harken, come on to me" etc, etc. Seems rather dumb when we are not able to do any of it.” 👈This is scary 😬

God gives hundreds of commands throughout the Bible that mankind is unable to complete. But leave it to the Arminians to claim ability to do the one that grants eternal life. 🤦‍♂️
How convenient for you.

Can you love as commanded, as Christ? No.
Can you selflessly give as commanded? No.
Can you be sinless? No.
Can you fear God as you should? No.
Can you believe as commanded? Yup, says the Arminian, I can do that one all on my own. I’m glory bound, yippeee.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

CEB
Jesus replied, “This is what God requires, that you believe in him whom God sent.”
CJB
Yeshua answered, “Here’s what the work of God is: to trust in the one he sent!”
CEV
Jesus answered, “God wants you to have faith in the one he sent.”
ERV
Jesus answered, “The work God wants you to do is this: to believe in the one he sent.”
EXB
Jesus answered, “·The work God wants you to do is this [L This is the work of God]: Believe the One he sent.”
GNT
Jesus answered, “What God wants you to do is to believe in the one he sent.”

There are more..

Yes, we know that there are many versions of the bible that corrupt the scriptures.

 

[Sipsey]

Salvation, according to Strong's concordance means "deliverance".

Born again children of God are pleasing God, and being delivered (saved) by their good works, when they are walking in his ways, by obeying his commandments, as they sojourn here on earth.

Good luck with those works!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

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Sorry, which version of Johnny Depp are you?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

All souls belong to God. He is the author and giver and sustainer of life. This is not to say that all are
His children. Obviously all are not His children. Some are children of wrath, those who have refused
God's offer of salvation through the forgiveness Christ's shed righteous blood provided for all.
Those who believe by grace through faith have the right to call themselves God's children.

God is drawing all men to Him. Those who resist do so because they love their sin.

Romans 8:15-16

I believe that John 6:39 tells us that Jesus only died for those that his Father gave him.

I also believe that Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind, for mankind's acceptance.

Do you have a reference scripture which states that all mankind is offered eternal salvation, that will harmonize with the other scriptures?

 

[Magenta]

The entirety of scripture is God’s commands, man’s INABILITY and need for a savior.
But leave it to Arminians to miss the point and get it backwards, “why does the Word
say "Believe on me, receive me, harken, come on to me" etc, etc. Seems rather
dumb when we are not able to do any of it.” 👈This is scary 😬

Do you deliberately misrepresent the Arminian position? I think you do. And repeatedly.

F of FACTS (as per Arminian beliefs): freed to believe by God's grace .

Desiring the salvation of all and having provided atonement for all people, God continues
to take the initiative for the purpose of bringing all people to salvation by calling all people
everywhere to repent and believe the gospel (Acts 17:30; cf. Matt 28:18-20), and by enabling
those who hear the gospel to respond to it positively in faith. Unaided by grace, man cannot
even choose to please God or to believe the promise of salvation held out in the gospel. source

 

[Sipsey]

I believe that John 6:39 tells us that Jesus only died for those that his Father gave him.

I also believe that Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind, for mankind's acceptance.

Do you have a reference scripture which states that all mankind is offered eternal salvation, that will harmonize with the other scriptures?

You are fortunate that God chose you, before the foundations of the world. Do you evangelize the lost, or is it possible or necessary, according to your understanding?

 

[Magenta]

I believe that John 6:39 tells us that Jesus only died for those that his Father gave him.

I also believe that Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind, for mankind's acceptance.

Do you have a reference scripture which states that all mankind is offered eternal salvation, that will harmonize with the other scriptures?

We have been over this before, Forest. You claim John 6:39 says something it does not.