Salvation is for the Whole World
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Acknowledged Sinners have to call upon Jesus in order to ever know God or receive the spirit it’s the first step of a sinner being born a child of God to accept Christ and the gospel
Where do you see "spiritual Israel"
Where do you see "spiritual Israel" in Romans 11?
No, I refuse to discuss Scripture with people who are being slippery and adding to what the Word says. I am assured that Christ did what He said and gave His blood for ALL.
I read this and thought it was an interesting point that answers your question.
"This is what puts advocates of limited atonement in an awkward situation. They must contend that while the atonement is sufficient to cover the sins of the non-elect, Christ did not die for them. It is as if God, in giving a dinner, prepared far more food than was needed, yet refused to consider the possibility of inviting additional guests.”
While introducing Jesus, John the Baptist says, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world!” (John 1:29)
“For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again”
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone” (Heb. 2:9).
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Earthly Jerusalem is earthly Israel's holy city and therefore part of and within earthly Israel. Given there is a new spiritual heavenly Jerusalem - the new holy city (see below) - then of necessity, there must also be a new heavenly spiritual Israel which spiritual Jerusalem is a part of and within. So, where one is mentioned, the other is always also implied because both are of one.
[Rev 3:12 KJV] 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.
[Rev 21:2 KJV] 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
That is confirmed by the following:
[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
You are correct that eternal salvation was accomplished on the cross for, but only for those that God gave to his Son (John 6:39).
The new birth was active in all of the old testament saints, and will be activated in those he died for after they have been born, by natural birth, into this world.
You are misinterpreting the scripture you are using to back that statement up. The natural man will not call upon spiritual things
I'm not sure they contend at all with that. I don't think they believe that.
My contention is that this is a MUCH more difficult issue to unravel than most think.
I have asked before, and gotten some interesting answers, about WHERE our faith comes from if it is not a gift from God. We know it is ACTIVATED upon hearing the Word, but that doesn't explain where it comes from, and if EVERYONE has it, why doesn't EVERYONE believe?
Heishere honestly said in effect that he is smarter than others, in that he was persuaded that it is true:
"Faith comes from being persuaded something is true.
Seems to me scripture answers your question quite clearly, “faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Rom 10:17).
If we are called to put our faith in Jesus how can that faith be a gift, seems obvious to me it is something we have to do.
Why does scripture tells us the Gospel is simple, that faith a small as mustard seed can move a mountain.
Why does God require faith if He has to give it to us?"
If you do not see spiritual Israel in reading the scriptures that I referred to you, then you must be blinded to see the truths in Christ's doctrine.
If the scriptures do not harmonize, then you do not understand the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The "all" is limited to "those that his Father gave him" (John 6:39).
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Again, you are not harmonizing the scriptures. Hebrews two verse ten, "bring many, not all, unto glory". Hebrews two, verse 13, "and the children which God hath given me".
It does not have to come from outside oneself, that is the assumption and preconceived idea that you bring.
Tell me where in the post did I state I was smarter, persuaded something is true does not mean I am smarter.
I am still waiting for your answer.