Hello I think I have a problem about doctrine.

[Mem]

“David's prayer shows off his belief and trust in God's character and ability to cleanse and transform him, "...and renew a right spirit within me...”

The gospel is Gods answer to David’s call for mercy and remaking man

“But ye have not so learned Christ; if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind;( renew my spirit )

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

( notice all Of the instructions of what to do and not do that come with the gospel accepting the knowledge in the gospel is what changes the spirit of the mind )

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.

Let him that stole steal no more repent ) but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:20-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

At he doctrine teaching us what to do and not do accepting it is what changes us from the old to the new because it changes what we think and believe and what we know is acceptable and not acceptable to God do we can repent and live better lives by faith

Didn't you (in general) know what to do or not to do by the law?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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Please explain to me exactly what is the spirit of the mind?

it’s how a person thinks and what the person thinks that’s what the gospel is for to change the minds of people that believe in him

If you want to be a doctor your mind has to be changed with the information doctors have in thoer mind. The persons mind doesn’t work like a doctors mind until get hear the right information and accept it

a after they receive the right information and with time and practice trusting that information they learned

a now thoer mond has been changed they don’t have to search in a book to know how to operate , it’s written on thier mind now it has become how they think

That’s what hearing and believing the gospel is all about it’s why it saves a person

It changes how they think about God , about life , about themselves ect it changes the spirit of the mind from thinking what we do in our ignorance to what Jesus clearly and plainly said “ this will save your souls believe it “

the term belief is most important I can read the Bible every day of my life but if I read it d reject what it’s teaching me it’s not going to change my mind

If im humble and realize okay Jesus is God and he’s saying this will save my soul I’m going to allow his word to change my mind and heart because I’m accepting who my lord is and what my lord said and I know it’s true

I believe I what used to think changes with the truth from God

that’s what the gospel is for and why we have to hear it and believe and not reject it it’s this simple

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s going to change the mind of the person who hears it and accepts it change how they think

let me give you an example

suppose I thought before I heard the gospel that I don’t need to hear what Jesus said and believe it to be saved

well when I hear the gospel and accept what he’s saying it’s going to change what I thought because I hear and believe this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I hear this and reject it I’m going to still think what I already thought “ I don’t need to hear Jesus words to have eternal life “

abut if I hear and accept what he’s saying it’s going to change my mind

the “ spirit “ of the mind is how and what you think your process of ideation based upon the foundation of what you know and believe about God

when you accept the gospel of Jesus Christ your accepting this and this is what changes believers

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

How and what we think our discernment is changes when we start accepting Gods truth in the gospel

Another way to say changing the spirit of the mind is

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

That word quick means living and active

a Jesus words are powerful to effect change of the persons mind if they believe what he’s saying that’s what the spirit of the mind means how your mind works and what you think about God and yourself the things the gospel teaches us in other words

Like for instance how does a man know that God loves him as his own child and wants man to see him as a father ? We know that because Jesus taught us that in the gospel

Things like this change the mind and heart for Jesus

“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but not if we say “ that’s not true m saved by grace “ that’s just a way to avoid the truth that saves

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Didn't you (in general) know what to do or not to do by the law?

the law of Moses ? No one knows God by the law it’s a blindfold

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ. ( New Testament )

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the reason Jesus came into the world is so man could finally meet and know God

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus came after the law preaching the truth of God for salvation to all

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel of the kingdom of God is what we have to accept and what is sent to all People until the world ends

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It is what saves us only if we hear and believe

The law of Moses couldn’t save anyone nor did it reveal God to them it actually taught them about sin and death

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So no the law didn’t teach me what the gospel teaches people infact wuote contrary things

No one can be saved by the knowledge of the law and anyone can be saved by believing the knowledge of the gospel

 

[posthuman]

So to finish, maybe some people can please advise me on what to do about this discovery of possible works related righteousness in dome of the main thinkers in my church? I do know that kind words are better than wrath, and that no one is unwillingly taught. At least I've learned that by now. TY.

Take every opportunity God gives you to tell them the truth.

 

[posthuman]

please let me know how I can live my life without knowing whether I've done enough good works to secure my salvation.

Well I can assure you that you haven't earned salvation through works, lol, so rest easy on whether you can know if you have or not. Nope. Turns out we need Christ.



Believe in His finished work - cast all your cares on Him, and press on trying to do the things that please Him. Because they please Him. Be thankful in every circumstance, including the circumstances where you fail. He will not fail; He did not fail.

 

[posthuman]

We are saved by grace for good works. So as a Christian, we will do good works. But as my grandmom use to say "We are all level at the foot of the cross".

Did your grandmum give you scriptures to undergird your faith in that truth? I can think of several right off the top of my head and I'm no scholar by any means. Would you share some of what gives special meaning to the Levelness statement your g-mum gave to you? I would love to know.

Grandmum, I think, listened to Vernon McGee's Bible Bus radio program, because McGee used to say this.

What McGee might have offered to you when you asked, iirc, is that in Christ there is neither black nor white nor yellow nor blue, male or female, Jew or Gentile - that all have sinned and fallen short, none seek after God, no one is righteous - that every one of us needs a savior and not one of us comes to the Father except through Christ.

In that respect we are all equal at the foot of the cross - we all stand condemned and are justified to God only by coming to that cross looking for mercy, being redeemed through His atoning blood, His 'one perfect sacrifice' for all time that perfecta all who believe.
We are equatin that none of us can boast in ourselves, all of us are saved only by His grace, through faith in Him and what He has done.

 

[brighthouse98]

Good Brother Raggedcloth (James 1:22) How should a believer act? Works are the result of one's true faith. For a dog does not act like a cat, and a fish does not act like a frog. Many people are confused by works, for can I alone work for my salvation? Of course not! For if this was true then I am a god which of course I am not!

I would not need Jesus if my own works bring me what I could never earn! WORKS is simply a result of one's true faith! A believer acts like a believer! People look to see if one who claims Jesus as their Savior acts like! We are saved by the work of Jesus! BUT!!!!! As a disciple of Jesus, he taught us to walk in such a way that HE (being Jesus) would be glorified by!

That people when they see how you act and look to thank the good Lord above for the way you act as a believer! Sure, we are going to make mistakes brother, but you know you, and no one else will be in the Judgment seat other than the very one we are supposed to act like! Hope this helps brother!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Grandmum, I think, listened to Vernon McGee's Bible Bus radio program, because McGee used to say this.

What McGee might have offered to you when you asked, iirc, is that in Christ there is neither black nor white nor yellow nor blue, male or female, Jew or Gentile - that all have sinned and fallen short, none seek after God, no one is righteous - that every one of us needs a savior and not one of us comes to the Father except through Christ.
In that respect we are all equal at the foot of the cross - we all stand condemned and are justified to God only by coming to that cross looking for mercy, being redeemed through His atoning blood, His 'one perfect sacrifice' for all time that perfecta all who believe.
We are equatin that none of us can boast in ourselves, all of us are saved only by His grace, through faith in Him and what He has done.

Well that you for putting that more succinctly than I was able to. Perhaps you are right. Grandma had several sayings that she would repeat. She certainly loved the Lord and had a wonderful testimony. I think you're right, that was exactly what she was trying to say.

 

[Underwhosewings]

I'm not very active here I don't know what various believers here believe. I don't mind differences in the jots and tittles, such as dunking versus sprinkling, the various eschatologies for the most part, who reads which Bible for the most part, and I don't divide with believers about some of the heavier things such as the preservation of the saints. But what does bug me is when rightness-with-God through works creeps in to teachings. So I really hope I don't offend any reader's sensibilities, and I will refuse to joust with anyone over this, but I must ask about Joyce Meyer. It turns out that influential people in my church follow her. To me the wellspring of her preaching flows from her belief that God blessed Abraham because of Abraham's obedience, and spins it out to mean that for every believer who is in want, it is essentially a matter of lack of obedience and we better get our acts straight before God can bless us. Please let me state the way I see this: before Abraham obeyed, God told him to leave his people and his land and go to a strange Land where God will bless him and multiply him into many nations. Then, when Abraham's hand was raised and about to come down, God restrained him, provided a sacrifice, and continued to keep his promises to Abraham. Whenever I think deeply enough about that I just melt because it's a story about me and how God unilaterally moved me out of the world into a new place of various kinds of richness and peace and a certain knowledge that God will never leave me nor forsake me not even through the death of my body, which by the way is dying and in pain, and I see no conditions placed on that promise. I'm still on the precipice when it comes to the question of whether, when God called me, (and he did, one day 35 yrs ago while I was in a 2 1/2 hour commute, through radio ministries), whether I obeyed His call by my own human will or I was drawn by God's irresistible grace. It sure seems like I responded immediately to His grace snd the presence of His Person.
Actually I tend to think it may be an improper question and only God really knows what happens right there. So to finish, maybe some people can please advise me on what to do about this discovery of possible works related righteousness in dome of the main thinkers in my church? I do know that kind words are better than wrath, and that no one is unwillingly taught. At least I've learned that by now. TY.

Faith in God

Philippians 4:11 KJV
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

Luke 16:22-23 KJV
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

 

[Underwhosewings]

I'm not very active here I don't know what various believers here believe. I don't mind differences in the jots and tittles, such as dunking versus sprinkling, the various eschatologies for the most part, who reads which Bible for the most part, and I don't divide with believers about some of the heavier things such as the preservation of the saints. But what does bug me is when rightness-with-God through works creeps in to teachings. So I really hope I don't offend any reader's sensibilities, and I will refuse to joust with anyone over this, but I must ask about Joyce Meyer. It turns out that influential people in my church follow her. To me the wellspring of her preaching flows from her belief that God blessed Abraham because of Abraham's obedience, and spins it out to mean that for every believer who is in want, it is essentially a matter of lack of obedience and we better get our acts straight before God can bless us. Please let me state the way I see this: before Abraham obeyed, God told him to leave his people and his land and go to a strange Land where God will bless him and multiply him into many nations. Then, when Abraham's hand was raised and about to come down, God restrained him, provided a sacrifice, and continued to keep his promises to Abraham. Whenever I think deeply enough about that I just melt because it's a story about me and how God unilaterally moved me out of the world into a new place of various kinds of richness and peace and a certain knowledge that God will never leave me nor forsake me not even through the death of my body, which by the way is dying and in pain, and I see no conditions placed on that promise. I'm still on the precipice when it comes to the question of whether, when God called me, (and he did, one day 35 yrs ago while I was in a 2 1/2 hour commute, through radio ministries), whether I obeyed His call by my own human will or I was drawn by God's irresistible grace. It sure seems like I responded immediately to His grace snd the presence of His Person.
Actually I tend to think it may be an improper question and only God really knows what happens right there. So to finish, maybe some people can please advise me on what to do about this discovery of possible works related righteousness in dome of the main thinkers in my church? I do know that kind words are better than wrath, and that no one is unwillingly taught. At least I've learned that by now. TY.

As we all know, No works can be added to earn us a ticket to heaven.
The Lord Jesus Christ has fulfilled everything necessary for our salvation.
And after repentance and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit, the love of God just flows from us in whatever capacity we have.
Those who are infirm sometimes doubt their salvation because they are no longer able to physically do the Christian things.
So they are reminded that it is through faith alone that we inherit the promises of God.
Ephesians 1:13 KJV
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Romans 1:15-17 KJV
So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. [16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. [17] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[Magenta]

“David's prayer shows off his belief and trust in God's character and ability to cleanse and transform him, "...and renew a right spirit within me...”

The gospel is Gods answer to David’s call for mercy and remaking man

“But ye have not so learned Christ; if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind;( renew my spirit )

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

( notice all Of the instructions of what to do and not do that come with the gospel accepting the knowledge in the gospel is what changes the spirit of the mind )

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.

Let him that stole steal no more repent ) but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:20-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

At he doctrine teaching us what to do and not do accepting it is what changes us from the old to the new because it changes what we think and believe and what we know is acceptable and not acceptable to God do we can repent and live better lives by faith

Matthew 5:43-45 plus Ephesians 4:32

 

[Joelightening]

I'm not very active here I don't know what various believers here believe. I don't mind differences in the jots and tittles, such as dunking versus sprinkling, the various eschatologies for the most part, who reads which Bible for the most part, and I don't divide with believers about some of the heavier things such as the preservation of the saints. But what does bug me is when rightness-with-God through works creeps in to teachings. So I really hope I don't offend any reader's sensibilities, and I will refuse to joust with anyone over this, but I must ask about Joyce Meyer. It turns out that influential people in my church follow her. To me the wellspring of her preaching flows from her belief that God blessed Abraham because of Abraham's obedience, and spins it out to mean that for every believer who is in want, it is essentially a matter of lack of obedience and we better get our acts straight before God can bless us. Please let me state the way I see this: before Abraham obeyed, God told him to leave his people and his land and go to a strange Land where God will bless him and multiply him into many nations. Then, when Abraham's hand was raised and about to come down, God restrained him, provided a sacrifice, and continued to keep his promises to Abraham. Whenever I think deeply enough about that I just melt because it's a story about me and how God unilaterally moved me out of the world into a new place of various kinds of richness and peace and a certain knowledge that God will never leave me nor forsake me not even through the death of my body, which by the way is dying and in pain, and I see no conditions placed on that promise. I'm still on the precipice when it comes to the question of whether, when God called me, (and he did, one day 35 yrs ago while I was in a 2 1/2 hour commute, through radio ministries), whether I obeyed His call by my own human will or I was drawn by God's irresistible grace. It sure seems like I responded immediately to His grace snd the presence of His Person.
Actually I tend to think it may be an improper question and only God really knows what happens right there. So to finish, maybe some people can please advise me on what to do about this discovery of possible works related righteousness in dome of the main thinkers in my church? I do know that kind words are better than wrath, and that no one is unwillingly taught. At least I've learned that by now. TY.

I pay no attention to Joyce Meyer. The scriptures forbid a woman to teach men in the Church. She is simply a non starter for me. Also, the mega preachers rake in the money and that is also a non starter.

 

[Joelightening]

Raggedcloth--- What you have been going thru is what a lot of people go through. A couple years ago, for example, my wife attended a Church which I knew was not good for her. I had been praying for 5 years asking God to please get her out of that Church. Then came the pandemic and in person mettings we're temporarily closed. That got her out of there. Then I came down with cancer. We needed to move closer to medical facilities. We then sold our home and moved. Thank God my dear wife was delivered from false teachers. Yes it took a world wide pandemic and me getting cancer, but God answered prayer and delivered my dear wife out of there.

 

[soberxp]

Meh, people are easily offended. Whuch is quite sad.


She is a heretic on many fronts.


That is sad to hear.

This guy gives a proper review of one of her messages or teachings or what ever you want to call it.

Meh, people are easily offended. Whuch is quite sad.


She is a heretic on many fronts.


That is sad to hear.

This guy gives a proper review of one of her messages or teachings or what ever you want to call it.

Various state organizations are also giants, a giant killing in the war bullying the weak and eat human blood financial resources

 

[Niki7]

It turns out that influential people in my church follow her. To me the wellspring of her preaching flows from her belief that God blessed Abraham because of Abraham's obedience, and spins it out to mean that for every believer who is in want, it is essentially a matter of lack of obedience and we better get our acts straight before God can bless us.

I don't 'follow' anyone but Jesus although I do, of course, watch certain shows on TV and involve myself locally.

I don't know where you formed that opinion on what Meyers teaches, but that is not what she teaches. As Christians, we should seek to be obedient to Christ but not for gain. I have found Meyers to be inspirational and quite accurate with regards to her teaching ministry which is not to say I base my walk with what she states.

Frankly, her actual biggest concern is that people study their Bibles and press into God. She most certainly does not teach that God will leave you if you are disobedient or anything even close to that.

 

[Niki7]

Joyce Meyer is a FALSE TEACHER. Just ignore her and run away from her teachings. If your church is enamored with her find another church.

That is so easy to say but why would that be? What makes her false in your eyes? Again, I am not a dyed in the wool follower of her or anyone else, but she is hardly a false teacher.

There are so many differing opinions on this forum that if I was not securely anchored in Christ, I do think I would begin to think that Christianity is a maze that a person has to work through to get even just a glimpse of God.

 

[Niki7]

In full disclosure I do not like the messages Joyce Meyers and Joel Osteen preach primarily because they're boring. At best, they preach a carnal message to carnal believers. At worst, they preach with the intent to keep the hearers of their messages ignorant so they can cash in on their dependence. I'm not certain which it is so I avoid them completely.

Osteen for sure. Gospel light. But Meyers is carnal? I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how she has become the gold standard in false teachers in this forum. I do know of some things she has said in the past or done, but she has come a long way and I know how far I have come and how ignorant I was because of the church I was brought up in.

I would be far more cautious of some of the things I have read in this forum than Joyce Meyers.

smh

 

[Scribe]

I'm not very active here I don't know what various believers here believe. I don't mind differences in the jots and tittles, such as dunking versus sprinkling, the various eschatologies for the most part, who reads which Bible for the most part, and I don't divide with believers about some of the heavier things such as the preservation of the saints. But what does bug me is when rightness-with-God through works creeps in to teachings. So I really hope I don't offend any reader's sensibilities, and I will refuse to joust with anyone over this, but I must ask about Joyce Meyer. It turns out that influential people in my church follow her. To me the wellspring of her preaching flows from her belief that God blessed Abraham because of Abraham's obedience, and spins it out to mean that for every believer who is in want, it is essentially a matter of lack of obedience and we better get our acts straight before God can bless us. Please let me state the way I see this: before Abraham obeyed, God told him to leave his people and his land and go to a strange Land where God will bless him and multiply him into many nations. Then, when Abraham's hand was raised and about to come down, God restrained him, provided a sacrifice, and continued to keep his promises to Abraham. Whenever I think deeply enough about that I just melt because it's a story about me and how God unilaterally moved me out of the world into a new place of various kinds of richness and peace and a certain knowledge that God will never leave me nor forsake me not even through the death of my body, which by the way is dying and in pain, and I see no conditions placed on that promise. I'm still on the precipice when it comes to the question of whether, when God called me, (and he did, one day 35 yrs ago while I was in a 2 1/2 hour commute, through radio ministries), whether I obeyed His call by my own human will or I was drawn by God's irresistible grace. It sure seems like I responded immediately to His grace snd the presence of His Person.
Actually I tend to think it may be an improper question and only God really knows what happens right there. So to finish, maybe some people can please advise me on what to do about this discovery of possible works related righteousness in dome of the main thinkers in my church? I do know that kind words are better than wrath, and that no one is unwillingly taught. At least I've learned that by now. TY.

You seem sincere in your questions. I would guess that your brothers and sisters that like Joyce Meyers teachings do not think that you are saved by works but that one is blessed by obedience to the Word, after salvation. Such as the spiritual growth we will experience all of our POST salvation life as we conform to the Word and what the Lord is telling us on an individual basis.

 

[Nehemiah6]

That is so easy to say but why would that be? What makes her false in your eyes?

Here's some insight into why Joyce Meyer is a false teacher.

Bullet points on why Joyce Meyer is a false teacher
https://the-end-time.org/2021/02/09/bullet-points-on-why-joyce-meyer-is-a-false-teacher/

Here are some of her heresies:
1. Jesus stopped being the Son of God
2. Jesus was born again
3. Jesus paid for our sins in hell (the Lake of Fire)
4. Jesus went to hell in our place and was tormented
5. If you don’t believe Jesus went to hell, you cannot be saved
6. We are called little gods
7. Joyce Meyer said she is not a sinner
8. The host of hell was literally on Jesus and was laughing
9. Joyce Meyer gets revelation knowledge
10. Joyce Meyer is a preacher (in violation of Scripture)
11. Joyce Meyer and [the love of] money (in violation of Scripture)
https://carm.org/preachers-and-teachers/joyce-meyer/

 

[Karlon]

I'm not very active here I don't know what various believers here believe. I don't mind differences in the jots and tittles, such as dunking versus sprinkling, the various eschatologies for the most part, who reads which Bible for the most part, and I don't divide with believers about some of the heavier things such as the preservation of the saints. But what does bug me is when rightness-with-God through works creeps in to teachings. So I really hope I don't offend any reader's sensibilities, and I will refuse to joust with anyone over this, but I must ask about Joyce Meyer. It turns out that influential people in my church follow her. To me the wellspring of her preaching flows from her belief that God blessed Abraham because of Abraham's obedience, and spins it out to mean that for every believer who is in want, it is essentially a matter of lack of obedience and we better get our acts straight before God can bless us. Please let me state the way I see this: before Abraham obeyed, God told him to leave his people and his land and go to a strange Land where God will bless him and multiply him into many nations. Then, when Abraham's hand was raised and about to come down, God restrained him, provided a sacrifice, and continued to keep his promises to Abraham. Whenever I think deeply enough about that I just melt because it's a story about me and how God unilaterally moved me out of the world into a new place of various kinds of richness and peace and a certain knowledge that God will never leave me nor forsake me not even through the death of my body, which by the way is dying and in pain, and I see no conditions placed on that promise. I'm still on the precipice when it comes to the question of whether, when God called me, (and he did, one day 35 yrs ago while I was in a 2 1/2 hour commute, through radio ministries), whether I obeyed His call by my own human will or I was drawn by God's irresistible grace. It sure seems like I responded immediately to His grace snd the presence of His Person.
Actually I tend to think it may be an improper question and only God really knows what happens right there. So to finish, maybe some people can please advise me on what to do about this discovery of possible works related righteousness in dome of the main thinkers in my church? I do know that kind words are better than wrath, and that no one is unwillingly taught. At least I've learned that by now. TY.

Read Ephesians 2:8,9, & 10, James 2:17,18,26, John 4:24. in no way, shape or form, ever, is works a means of salvation or of receiving a blessing from the Lord or of any merit. yes, we are to perform good works for people but its never to receive anything.