I think I should wait until the millennium age to start dating again.
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On the contrary:
" 2Pet 2:4-6 "angelos", 1Pet 3:19-20 "pneuma", Jude 1:6 "angelos" and Genesis 6 "benai elohim". Why is the term "men" or anything like it not used in four distinct places? Because men are not in view here. Slam dunk."
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...age-to-start-dating-again.209907/post-5031995
"Absolutely no doubt whatsoever that they WERE in fact fallen angels. The case is vast and overwhelming."
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5030139
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5030142
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5030208
1) God pronouncing judgement and the destruction of the ENTIRE WORLD for the trivial supposed sin of blue bloods marrying so-called lower classes makes no sense whatsoever. And woefully impugns the character of God IMO.
2) There is not one single case post flood of God rendering devastating judgement for such a supposed sin. Yes, the offspring of Abraham and Israel were to maintain their integrity in this regard. But this was with respect to religion.....not RANK. And there is nothing said and no warning whatsoever as far as gentiles and the Church is concerned.
3) There WERE in fact real literal (six-fingered and toed) inhuman giants NOTED from at least Abraham and undoubtedly earlier.
"Really? Well then why was it so that these "heightened humans" were specifically marked out for wholesale EXTERMINATION like cockroaches by Chedorlaomer, Edom, Moab, Moses, Joshua, Caleb......and by the command of YHVH at the conquest of Canaan? These INHUMAN HYBRID GIANTS were so alien that marking them out, seeking them out, then killing them was always prescribed."
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5025006
4) 2Pet 2:4-6 "angelos", 1Pet 3:19-20 "pneuma", Jude 1:6 "angelos" and Genesis 6 "benai elohim". Why is the term "men" or anything like it not used in four distinct places? Because men are not in view here. Slam dunk.
5) https://christianchat.com/threads/nephelim.208229/post-4966042
"1Pe 3:19
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Actually.....the correct term is PROCLAIM. Jesus is not preaching the gospel.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2784/kjv/tr/0-1/
Jesus is proclaiming His victory to fallen angels in Tartarus.
2Pe 2:4
For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast them down to Tartarus, did deliver them to judgment, having been reserved, "
6) https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5024447
Evidently the Jude 1:6 angels took a downgrade (to satisfy their ungodly lust), while we Christians are gifted with an upgrade.
G3613 - oikētērion - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, G3613 he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house G3613 which is from heaven:
THAT dear friends is an overwhelming case confirming that yes, fallen angels were the culprit.
" 2Pet 2:4-6 "angelos", 1Pet 3:19-20 "pneuma", Jude 1:6 "angelos" and Genesis 6 "benai elohim". Why is the term "men" or anything like it not used in four distinct places? Because men are not in view here. Slam dunk."
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...age-to-start-dating-again.209907/post-5031995
"Absolutely no doubt whatsoever that they WERE in fact fallen angels. The case is vast and overwhelming."
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5030139
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5030142
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5030208
1) God pronouncing judgement and the destruction of the ENTIRE WORLD for the trivial supposed sin of blue bloods marrying so-called lower classes makes no sense whatsoever. And woefully impugns the character of God IMO.
2) There is not one single case post flood of God rendering devastating judgement for such a supposed sin. Yes, the offspring of Abraham and Israel were to maintain their integrity in this regard. But this was with respect to religion.....not RANK. And there is nothing said and no warning whatsoever as far as gentiles and the Church is concerned.
3) There WERE in fact real literal (six-fingered and toed) inhuman giants NOTED from at least Abraham and undoubtedly earlier.
"Really? Well then why was it so that these "heightened humans" were specifically marked out for wholesale EXTERMINATION like cockroaches by Chedorlaomer, Edom, Moab, Moses, Joshua, Caleb......and by the command of YHVH at the conquest of Canaan? These INHUMAN HYBRID GIANTS were so alien that marking them out, seeking them out, then killing them was always prescribed."
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5025006
4) 2Pet 2:4-6 "angelos", 1Pet 3:19-20 "pneuma", Jude 1:6 "angelos" and Genesis 6 "benai elohim". Why is the term "men" or anything like it not used in four distinct places? Because men are not in view here. Slam dunk.
5) https://christianchat.com/threads/nephelim.208229/post-4966042
"1Pe 3:19
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Actually.....the correct term is PROCLAIM. Jesus is not preaching the gospel.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2784/kjv/tr/0-1/
Jesus is proclaiming His victory to fallen angels in Tartarus.
2Pe 2:4
For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast them down to Tartarus, did deliver them to judgment, having been reserved, "
6) https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5024447
Evidently the Jude 1:6 angels took a downgrade (to satisfy their ungodly lust), while we Christians are gifted with an upgrade.
G3613 - oikētērion - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- a dwelling place, habitation
- of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, G3613 he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house G3613 which is from heaven:
THAT dear friends is an overwhelming case confirming that yes, fallen angels were the culprit.
Angels are not mentioned at all in relation to why God decided to destroy the vast majority of mankind via the flood.
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that
every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time. And the
LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that
every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time. And the
LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
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Yes they were. Read my post.
The thing is.....there WERE IN FACT GIANTS in the Levant at the time of the conquest by Israel. Both before and afterward.
Inhuman GIANTS. Not human, no way no how. Which is exactly what the Bible says.
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5025015
"These are loaded passages. First the rebellious incursion by fallen angels. Then IMMEDATELY God's reaction being final judgement. Then the monstrous offspring are noted. Then increasing wickedness filling the earth because of the influence of this cohabitation, demonic infestation and inhuman giant offspring."
Gen 6:1
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
The thing is.....there WERE IN FACT GIANTS in the Levant at the time of the conquest by Israel. Both before and afterward.
Inhuman GIANTS. Not human, no way no how. Which is exactly what the Bible says.
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5025015
"These are loaded passages. First the rebellious incursion by fallen angels. Then IMMEDATELY God's reaction being final judgement. Then the monstrous offspring are noted. Then increasing wickedness filling the earth because of the influence of this cohabitation, demonic infestation and inhuman giant offspring."
Gen 6:1
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
They were taking over the planet bro. Creating a hellish totalitarian dictatorship filled with massive exploitation violence and tyranny.
And much much worse. Much worse. So horrific that God destroyed EVERYTHING living upon the earth.
And all of this due to "mixed marriages"? Not a chance.
Gen 6:17
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
And much much worse. Much worse. So horrific that God destroyed EVERYTHING living upon the earth.
And all of this due to "mixed marriages"? Not a chance.
Gen 6:17
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
That is not disputed .
. Kind reproduces after kind, and angels are not humankind.
Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another,
and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the
heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another.
. Kind reproduces after kind, and angels are not humankind.Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another,
and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the
heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another.
That is not disputed .. Kind reproduces after kind, and angels are not humankind.
. Kind reproduces after kind, and angels are not humankind.
I have yet to hear any cogent rebuttals to the below mentioned. Or any other point that I have presented. Only blanket denials of what in fact was recorded to actually happen. And BTW....the NT commentary on the OT expands and explains the OT text.
" 2Pet 2:4-6 "angelos", 1Pet 3:19-20 "pneuma", Jude 1:6 "angelos" and Genesis 6 "benai elohim". Why is the term "men" or anything like it not used in four distinct places? Because men are not in view here. Slam dunk."
https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5024447
Evidently the Jude 1:6 angels took a downgrade (to satisfy their ungodly lust), while we Christians are gifted with an upgrade.
G3613 - oikētērion - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- a dwelling place, habitation
- of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, G3613 he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house G3613 which is from heaven:
Angels walked on the earth as men MANY times in Scripture.
These other angelic men ate and drank. Walked and talked. I mean they must have had muscles and innards right?
I wonder what else they had and could do. Just like men? Well.....nobody know everything they could do.
Again, Jesus Christ is the ULTIMATE CASE of a birth that was NOT "kind begetting kind" (as you believe)!
So tell us all @Magenta : How EXACTLY did the HOLY SPIRIT......A SPIRIT BY DEFINITION.......IMPREGNATE MARY?
Well you do not know exactly and neither does anybody else. And we do not know EXACTLY how fallen angels impregnated human women. But they definitely did, and the bible definitely says exactly that. Case closed.
These other angelic men ate and drank. Walked and talked. I mean they must have had muscles and innards right?
I wonder what else they had and could do. Just like men? Well.....nobody know everything they could do.
Again, Jesus Christ is the ULTIMATE CASE of a birth that was NOT "kind begetting kind" (as you believe)!
So tell us all @Magenta : How EXACTLY did the HOLY SPIRIT......A SPIRIT BY DEFINITION.......IMPREGNATE MARY?
Well you do not know exactly and neither does anybody else. And we do not know EXACTLY how fallen angels impregnated human women. But they definitely did, and the bible definitely says exactly that. Case closed.
