3 Statements...Just True or False
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True. Even so it is hard to fathom his motivation. Did Adam suddenly become stupid? He had absolutely every privilege that God could give a man, plus an entire orchard of delectable fruit trees, plus a beautiful wife given to him personally by God (and little or no work in keeping the Garden shipshape). Yet he behaved like an idiot.
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If we are going to really examine the text honestly, and take the text in light of other passages of scripture... we get what we get.
Hopeless Romantics?
Adam loved Eve... that's in the Bible.
God Loves us... that's in the Bible.
Christ loved us enough to die for us... that's in the Bible.
Lots of people love lots of people... that's in the Bible.
People in love say and do "romantic" things... that's in the Bible.
Both romance and romantic ideas are in the Bible.
Regarding Speculation:
1.) Logical Inference:
To logically infer or deduce the implications of a passage, with full consideration of the rest of scripture, is not equal to speculation.
(This is how we arrive at most doctrine, such as the trinity.)
2.) Explanatory Power:
When multiple explanations are available for an outcome, to choose the one with the greatest explanatory power is not equal to pure speculation.
(This is also a part of how we arrive at most doctrine, because it's foundational to hermeneutics. It's also how we do science.)
3.) Romantic View:
To discard a contrary view, by merely labeling it with a dismissive term, such as "romantic", isn't a logical rebuttal.
a.) Casting a view in a bad light through disparaging language doesn't constitute a rebuttal.
b.) Furthermore, the state of being "romantic" should not, in any way, even be considered as a negative thing. Romance is deeply ingrained in scripture, from beginning to end... it is part of human life, and part of scripture.
c.) If by "romantic" you did not mean "romantic love", but merely "fanciful" - then you would, by necessity of your own claim, be obligated to prove the opposing view is fanciful. We can't just dismiss a a view by disparaging it with unkind terms. Disparagement is not a rebuttal.
d.) I don't believe you meant any unkindness in any this... but we are just constantly surrounded by this tactic of dismissive language. It's all around us, even in scholarly works at times, so we often employ it without realizing it. I'm sure I do it too. And if I have, then I apologize.
Mem,
I think I've said everything on this topic that I have time for.
It's been fun, and you raised a lot of interesting points... it's always good to talk about scripture.
I'm going to exit the thread, but you are always welcome to message me in pm.
God Bless.
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Hopeless Romantics?
Adam loved Eve... that's in the Bible.
God Loves us... that's in the Bible.
Christ loved us enough to die for us... that's in the Bible.
Lots of people love lots of people... that's in the Bible.
People in love say and do "romantic" things... that's in the Bible.
Both romance and romantic ideas are in the Bible.
Regarding Speculation:
1.) Logical Inference:
To logically infer or deduce the implications of a passage, with full consideration of the rest of scripture, is not equal to speculation.
(This is how we arrive at most doctrine, such as the trinity.)
2.) Explanatory Power:
When multiple explanations are available for an outcome, to choose the one with the greatest explanatory power is not equal to pure speculation.
(This is also a part of how we arrive at most doctrine, because it's foundational to hermeneutics. It's also how we do science.)
3.) Romantic View:
To discard a contrary view, by merely labeling it with a dismissive term, such as "romantic", isn't a logical rebuttal.
a.) Casting a view in a bad light through disparaging language doesn't constitute a rebuttal.
b.) Furthermore, the state of being "romantic" should not, in any way, even be considered as a negative thing. Romance is deeply ingrained in scripture, from beginning to end... it is part of human life, and part of scripture.
c.) If by "romantic" you did not mean "romantic love", but merely "fanciful" - then you would, by necessity of your own claim, be obligated to prove the opposing view is fanciful. We can't just dismiss a a view by disparaging it with unkind terms. Disparagement is not a rebuttal.
d.) I don't believe you meant any unkindness in any this... but we are just constantly surrounded by this tactic of dismissive language. It's all around us, even in scholarly works at times, so we often employ it without realizing it. I'm sure I do it too. And if I have, then I apologize.
Mem,
I think I've said everything on this topic that I have time for.
It's been fun, and you raised a lot of interesting points... it's always good to talk about scripture.
I'm going to exit the thread, but you are always welcome to message me in pm.
God Bless.
.
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I do not hear much about the initial and possibly causative factor......Satan's interloping. This is very much key to the whole situation.
If you were to find out that your kid was approached by an older neighborhood bad boy selling weed, and was tricked/induced/tempted to try it, who would you blame? Even though you warned about it/him earlier?
If you were to find out that your kid was approached by an older neighborhood bad boy selling weed, and was tricked/induced/tempted to try it, who would you blame? Even though you warned about it/him earlier?
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Oh but Adam DID obtain mercy. Immediately.
God issued His instantaneous judgement.......redemption/forgiveness for Adam,
However the instigator interloper rebellious serpent was CONDEMNED immediately.
Speaks volumes as to who the guilty party really was in all of this.
Gen 3:14
So the LORD God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
God issued His instantaneous judgement.......redemption/forgiveness for Adam,
However the instigator interloper rebellious serpent was CONDEMNED immediately.
Speaks volumes as to who the guilty party really was in all of this.
Gen 3:14
So the LORD God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
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