Saddleback Church Ousted from Southern Baptist Convention Over Female Pastor
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Women have to rise up when the men have no backbone.
And when the men take their place, the women can withdraw.
There are a number of women who teach scripture in schools, in church meetings to other women and children, all under the direction of pastors.
Judges 4:4-6,9,14,21 KJV
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. [5] And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Beth-el in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.
[6] And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh-naphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the Lord God of Israel commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?
Judges 4:8 KJV
And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go.
[9] And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the Lord shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh. [14] And Deborah said unto Barak, Up; for this is the day in which the Lord hath delivered Sisera into thine hand: is not the Lord gone out before thee? So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men after him.
[21] Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.
Church I used to attend had a male pastor but every now and then he would let one of the ladies preach a sermon.
These ladies also had college degrees in theology so knowledge is knowledge, doesn't matter who it's coming from
These ladies also had college degrees in theology so knowledge is knowledge, doesn't matter who it's coming from
The restriction is restricted to the interaction within this exact relationship within the congregation. More simply, "there is to be no nagging/commentary to your husband while church is in service, not even as a whisper in his ear. Rather, take notes and discuss at home."
I agree. So that tells us that God makes exceptions where lack of male leadership can be replaced with female leadership.
I used to work for the VA hospital system. I first started in the Brooklyn VA Regional Medical Center when I externed there during nursing school. I met a female chaplain that started the same year I did. She clearly loves the Lord and did her job really well in ministering to the VA patients.
A few years later, she and I ended up in the same VA RMC in another state!!!! Without knowing about each other's plans!!! Can't be a coincidence. She continues to be such a blessing to the people at that hospital, including me as she was a great example of loving and serving the Lord. I think that's what God was trying to show me.
Amen.
God never said he would never call women to ministry or leadership.
Women are the gateway of life in this world. Thinking we are less than in the eyes of God due to our sex is unholy. God knew what he was doing.
The human race is in a sinful state because by one man sin entered the world.
Thinking God wouldn't call women to teach what it means to be redeemed from that is short sighted and silly too.
The SBC did the right thing regarding Saddleback, but as usual it was too little and too late. Rick Warren had gone off the rails a long time ago. But then the SBC had also abandoned its own beliefs a long time ago. I'm not sure where they stand right now, but they adopted the Calvinistic nonsense wholesale several years ago, and compromised on several other teachings also. In a 2012 poll of 1,066 Southern Baptist pastors conducted by LifeWay Research, a nonprofit group associated with the Southern Baptist Convention, 30 percent considered their churches Calvinist — while twice as many were concerned “about the impact of Calvinism.”
It’s just not scriptural for women to actually be called, labeled pastor deacon etc. but yes we as women, constantly visit the sick in hospital, nursing home etc. to minister personally to them.
Also, I had a feeling she was able to get the job because the regional hospital was in a rural area with a small town and I don't think they had many applications come in for the position of chaplain. Probably not enough men applied for it. Quite possible she might have even been the only applicant. They are really fortunate to have her though!
God knows we can hope not! Calling Paul false and contradictory in his own letters wherein he praised women prophetesses, pastors, deaconesses, in his own founded churches is bad enough isn't it?
Compound that with Calvin being the label nay sayers put on God's preordination of all things? Yes, it's getting bad
I never quite understood why in the US the southern baptists are separate from the other baptists. Why are there no Northern Baptists or Eastern or Western Baptists. It dont make no sense.
How are they ' fortunate' to have a chaplain that is out of line with Scripture?
The Scriptures are His Truth never meant to be thee socially acceptable plan of the world.