Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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rogerg

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Everlasting-Grace said:
Its ok.. I feel the same way’’

I will end with this

When I stand in front of God. And tell him I am a man of unclean lips. I have sinned against him and only him, I am unworthy of his love, and deserve an eternity in hell because I rebelled against my creator. And the only way I could even possibly be ALLOWED into his presence is because he died for me, He offered me his gift. And his ability to keep his promise.Which I told him 40 years ago. That he is my only hope. And cry out for his salvation.

I guarantee you and your buddies this. God will not call me a heretic. he will not tell me I tried to earn my salvation. He will not falsly accuse me like you all are doing. He will say welcome home..

You do not have to believe it. You can not save me, You can;t get me in heaven, I can only trust God

You think God is going to bless you for trying to bully people who disagree with you. Well you have another thing comming.

I believe you are saved, but when it comes to gold silver precious stones, I believe you will have some wood hay and straw for the way you treat Gods people.

Good day
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Good day.
 
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ButterflyJones said:
You meant that for someone else.
Not at all relevant to my post that I served the act of not placing faith in Christ.
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If you feel that non-Calvinists deem Jesus to be a purveyor of lies then I most certainly meant it for you. If I misunderstood you, I apologize.
 
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ButterflyJones

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If you feel that non-Calvinists deem Jesus to be a purveyor of lies then I most certainly meant it for you. If I misunderstood you, I apologize.
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Apology accepted.

I think the atmosphere would be far more peaceful if the idea of those who ascribe to eternal irrevocable salvation by God's grace were not pigeonholed into the Calvinist label.

I realize that label is meant to disqualify the one branded as unable to discuss scripture. However what is actually accomplished is a display of bigotry that then puts the one who casts the label in the bad light.

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seed_time_harvest

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rogerg said:
I should have also included, not for those so chosen for it - the elect.
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Did you mean whosoever believes?
John 3:16
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
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ButterflyJones

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seed_time_harvest said:
Did you mean whosoever believes?
John 3:16
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Coincides with Ephesians 2 and God's grace filled saving love for us.
 
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NilsForChrist said:
If I buy a phone and lose it, does it mean it no longer is a phone? Or does merely the posession change?
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Jesus isn't a phone, you cant buy him and you don't lose him, when God brought the the church with his own blood they became his possession, and he said he wont lose any
 
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ThewindBlows said:
Jesus isn't a phone, you cant buy him and you don't lose him, when God brought the the church with his own blood they became his possession, and he said he wont lose any
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John 6:37 - All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
 
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mailmandan said:
John 6:37 - All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
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I love these Verses but Verse 37 really shows something that the ONES who COME to Jesus are possibly people already SEEKING for something spiritual.

John the Baptist preached the Messiah was Coming.

Most of Israel were looking for the Coming, even though, they refused to recognize and denied God.

But they were SEEKING for the Arrival of the Messiah.

When Jesus made Disciples He just said, Follow Me. They just left their lives and followed. That's because they were already SEEKING the Messiah.

I believe the Word of God is much much deeper than what is simply read and understood.


Now some will CHOOSE TO SEE those coming to Jesus from the Father is predestination.

How many people are capable and able to sit in Church Service after Service, be surrounded by worship and the Word being Preached, and never feel anything from God. But they actually want to be Saved. Then one day in Service they feel that TUGGING of the heart and their minds are full of the goodness of Jesus, and they are able to Surrender to God's Will.

Theoretically, that Person, ^, should have been predetermined and the Moment they heard the Word Preached they should have come then and there.

No, that shows us we have Free Will and are the ONES ultimately Choosing to yield unto God.

That is why that Verse 37 mentions people Coming to Jesus (twice)...not other way around. The people are Coming to Him.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
I love these Verses but Verse 37 really shows something that the ONES who COME to Jesus are possibly people already SEEKING for something spiritual.

John the Baptist preached the Messiah was Coming.

Most of Israel were looking for the Coming, even though, they refused to recognize and denied God.

But they were SEEKING for the Arrival of the Messiah.

When Jesus made Disciples He just said, Follow Me. They just left their lives and followed. That's because they were already SEEKING the Messiah.

I believe the Word of God is much much deeper than what is simply read and understood.


Now some will CHOOSE TO SEE those coming to Jesus from the Father is predestination.

How many people are capable and able to sit in Church Service after Service, be surrounded by worship and the Word being Preached, and never feel anything from God. But they actually want to be Saved. Then one day in Service they feel that TUGGING of the heart and their minds are full of the goodness of Jesus, and they are able to Surrender to God's Will.

Theoretically, that Person, ^, should have been predetermined and the Moment they heard the Word Preached they should have come then and there.

No, that shows us we have Free Will and are the ONES ultimately Choosing to yield unto God.

That is why that Verse 37 mentions people Coming to Jesus (twice)...not other way around. The people are Coming to Him.
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And Jesus said, those who come to Him...they make a CHOICE TO COME to Jesus...He said those who Choose to COME to Me I will never let go.

Jesus is rewarding our Decision to Choose the Father's Invitation to be Saved through His Son.
 
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NilsForChrist said:
If I buy a phone and lose it, does it mean it no longer is a phone? Or does merely the posession change?
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so you equate eternal life with a phone?

God said he will never leave nor forsake you. You can't lose God like you can lose a phone
 
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NilsForChrist said:
There's only one faith according to Ephesians 4. You cannot depart from the faith without being part of it.
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your right, there is only one faith (gospel) it is taught by many churches. yet some depart from the faith (gospel) and return to their true faith. which they never really departed from at all

That is why John said they were never of us.. for if they were of us, they never would have left.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
I love these Verses but Verse 37 really shows something that the ONES who COME to Jesus are possibly people already SEEKING for something spiritual.
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[Jhn 6:44-45 KJV]
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
 
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