God gave us guidance on killer pit bulls and their owners!

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IsaiahA

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The term "pit bull" is not a breed but a general classification of dog breeds bred to be fighters, killers. The dog now in the news in Texas is a American Staffordshire Terrier, one of the pit bulls.

I find that to own a dog bred to be a killer, and you let it get loose, you must pay if it kills. The rule about an "ox" certainly should apply -

"“When an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be clear. But if the ox has been accustomed to gore in the past, and its owner has been warned but has not kept it in, and it kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death." (Exod 21:28-29)

I view the phrase "accustomed to gore" to be equal to an animal bred to be a fighter and killer! Enact laws to execute the pit bull owner as well as the dog, if they let the dog get loose and it kills a human.

Thinking about our society and the principals contained in God's laws, how would God have us handle this 17 year old, 6' 6", 270 pound thug called a "special needs student" a public high school?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-teachers-aide-violently-attacked-taking-students-nintendo-switch

America can be so very proud, this is even covered in the Australian news:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north...h/news-story/03a258b28d39fd16a4a9eb29eb0759fc
 
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IsaiahA said:
how would God have us handle this 17 year old, 6' 6", 270 pound thug called a "special needs student" a public high school?
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Probably give him what he special needs.
 
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IsaiahA said:
The term "pit bull" is not a breed but a general classification of dog breeds bred to be fighters, killers. The dog now in the news in Texas is a American Staffordshire Terrier, one of the pit bulls.

I find that to own a dog bred to be a killer, and you let it get loose, you must pay if it kills. The rule about an "ox" certainly should apply -

"“When an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be clear. But if the ox has been accustomed to gore in the past, and its owner has been warned but has not kept it in, and it kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death." (Exod 21:28-29)

I view the phrase "accustomed to gore" to be equal to an animal bred to be a fighter and killer! Enact laws to execute the pit bull owner as well as the dog, if they let the dog get loose and it kills a human.

Thinking about our society and the principals contained in God's laws, how would God have us handle this 17 year old, 6' 6", 270 pound thug called a "special needs student" a public high school?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-teachers-aide-violently-attacked-taking-students-nintendo-switch

America can be so very proud, this is even covered in the Australian news:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north...h/news-story/03a258b28d39fd16a4a9eb29eb0759fc
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I agree, the law of God gives us good guidance to functing am ordered society.
 
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So, this discussion begins with animals bred to be violent, the OT law regarding killer oxen and their owners, and somehow connects that to the violent behavior of a special needs student who happens to be black?!!!

There are obvious red flags here regarding the OP’s intent. I’m reporting this thread.
 
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There is a massive difference between a domestic animal, especially one bred to fight, and a human being. There is no connection between the cited Scripture and the news article.

Clearly, the student overreacted, and should be strongly disciplined, but killed? No way. The OP is far off base with this one.
 
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God's law addresses theft and violent assault.
 
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We the people , are at fault for allowing this type of crap to go on. No the kid is NOT a dog and the OP is out of line. I do not trust the term 'special needs" Who labeled the kid ? Is he and the many others, now special needs because s/he was not properly instructed as a a young child. There is a lot about this case we dont know.. Who here has spent time with the kid? Liberalness has opened the door to sin and hate . Why was a person who is tiny compared to this guy put in charge of him? Kids today have zero respect for any kind of authority. We kill babies by the millions how dare we expect anyone to show respect for life. The Problem here goes real deep. Way back Dan Quayle was heckled for daring to speak of fatherless homes. We Christians removed ourselves from politics from school boards etc . and here we are. Get your kids out of public education.
 
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As the mama bear of a special needs child I wont even BEGIN to give my full 2 cents worth here, just going to give a lot less than that.
OP you are WAY out of line trying to compare the 2 stories.
 
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IsaiahA said:
The term "pit bull" is not a breed but a general classification of dog breeds bred to be fighters, killers. The dog now in the news in Texas is a American Staffordshire Terrier, one of the pit bulls.

I find that to own a dog bred to be a killer, and you let it get loose, you must pay if it kills. The rule about an "ox" certainly should apply -

"“When an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be clear. But if the ox has been accustomed to gore in the past, and its owner has been warned but has not kept it in, and it kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death." (Exod 21:28-29)

I view the phrase "accustomed to gore" to be equal to an animal bred to be a fighter and killer! Enact laws to execute the pit bull owner as well as the dog, if they let the dog get loose and it kills a human.

Thinking about our society and the principals contained in God's laws, how would God have us handle this 17 year old, 6' 6", 270 pound thug called a "special needs student" a public high school?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-teachers-aide-violently-attacked-taking-students-nintendo-switch

America can be so very proud, this is even covered in the Australian news:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north...h/news-story/03a258b28d39fd16a4a9eb29eb0759fc
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Old Testament laws' external forms no longer apply to Christians, while the inner principles still do. It seems to me that the inner principle of this law is our personal responsibility for the actions of our children and animals. In other words, we are accountable before God, our Judge, for those actions that are our responsibility. But, of course, Jesus gives us forgiveness with our faith and repentance.
 
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Beckie said:
I do not trust the term 'special needs" Who labeled the kid ? Is he and the many others, now special needs because s/he was not properly instructed as a a young child. There is a lot about this case we dont know..
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You're right Beckie, there is a lot about this case that we don't know.
But as mama bear of a special needs child I am willing to take a guess as to what happened leading up to this childs outburst, and I'm pretty sure my guess will be a whole lot more accurate and closer to the truth than blaming it on "poor instruction as a young child".
I do know as a parent of a special needs child (who went through hell in public school) that a majority of public schools and the so called "special education" staff don't know a d**n thing about dealing with these kids, though they like to think they do. Their lack of understanding causes situations to escalate out of control.
Proper training for the staff and support for this child could have prevented this, or at least kept it from becoming so severe.
 
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what the farthing


Indeed, the letter kills. What was the aid not thinking? She had the students switch but what did she not have that he might have willingly exchanged it for? Did she offer an explanation to him before 'seizing' it? Did she provide him an understanding that she cared for his best interests? By what spirit did she take away what she saw a nuisance, but what he guarded as his Nintendo?
 
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Godsgirl1983 said:
Their lack of understanding causes situations to escalate out of control.
Proper training for the staff and support for this child could have prevented this, or at least kept it from becoming so severe.
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This aid would've been better qualified to work at a kennel.
 
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Godsgirl1983 said:
You're right Beckie, there is a lot about this case that we don't know.
But as mama bear of a special needs child I am willing to take a guess as to what happened leading up to this childs outburst, and I'm pretty sure my guess will be a whole lot more accurate and closer to the truth than blaming it on "poor instruction as a young child".
I do know as a parent of a special needs child (who went through hell in public school) that a majority of public schools and the so called "special education" staff don't know a d**n thing about dealing with these kids, though they like to think they do. Their lack of understanding causes situations to escalate out of control.
Proper training for the staff and support for this child could have prevented this, or at least kept it from becoming so severe.
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Thank you for understanding my post.
 
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Beckie said:
There is a lot about this case we dont know..
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Agree. I have not followed up all the links and watched all the videos. Just went by what the OPer said. After reading through some of his other threads, I know we should take his "stuff" with a grain of salt. It looks like he is trying his best to get banned.
 
maxwel

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The entire premise of the OP is just bizarre.



There may come a time when humans, made in the image of God, are euthanized for any reason, large or small, just like feral dogs.

So far, at least in some countries, we still value humans above dogs.

I sincerely hope we never find ourselves in a world where this has changed.

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IsaiahA said:
I view the phrase "accustomed to gore" to be equal to an animal bred to be a fighter and killer! Enact
laws to execute the pit bull owner as well as the dog, if they let the dog get loose and it kills a human.
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Christians are not under the old covenant laws . :geek:
 
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Aaron56 said:
So, this discussion begins with animals bred to be violent, the OT law regarding killer oxen and their owners, and somehow connects that to the violent behavior of a special needs student who happens to be black?!!!

There are obvious red flags here regarding the OP’s intent. I’m reporting this thread.
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He was wrong to connect the old testament rule to a modern day situation. But he didn't say anything about the big hulk of a student being black. Stop with the race-baiting.
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
He was wrong to connect the old testament rule to a modern day situation. But he didn't say anything about the big hulk of a student being black. Stop with the race-baiting.
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He was wrong to connect principles about animals to humans... & claim humans should be treated as animals.

That was the principle issue.

He was essentially calling another human an animal.
(This would be wrong in the OT or the NT. So the matter of which covenant he's using for his bad theology is irrelevant. And atheists make this kind of argument, that humans are equal to animals, without believing in either testament... so no matter how you ground it, it's just a bad argument on it's face. It's wrong using either testament, or no testament at all.)

But I agree he didn't say anything about race.
So no matter how bad his argument was, if he didn't say anything about race, then we shouldn't accuse him of that.



I'm not really trying to argue about this... just thinking it through... as others are doing.



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