Salvation is for the Whole World
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I would say that the scripture supports that Jesus died for all sin.
We must believe the Gospel to be saved.
The only way to believe unto salvation is to appropriate the Faith given to every man. Rom.12:3; John 12:32 (All means all)
Those that are not saved are those that did not exercise the faith given them.
Did God ordain it that way? That's His business.
It's our business to be about His business to make disciples and to win the lost to the gospel (Good News) of Jesus Christ.
If you know you are the elect, then continue to make your calling and election sure by winning souls, leading them to righteousness and make full proof of that ministry.
If you notice this argument you bring is causing division, not edification, no disciples.
Love edifies.
We must believe the Gospel to be saved.
The only way to believe unto salvation is to appropriate the Faith given to every man. Rom.12:3; John 12:32 (All means all)
Those that are not saved are those that did not exercise the faith given them.
Did God ordain it that way? That's His business.
It's our business to be about His business to make disciples and to win the lost to the gospel (Good News) of Jesus Christ.
If you know you are the elect, then continue to make your calling and election sure by winning souls, leading them to righteousness and make full proof of that ministry.
If you notice this argument you bring is causing division, not edification, no disciples.
Love edifies.
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I hold this testimony.
I felt as if GOD backed me into a corner, turned my fingers back, and told me to say "Uncle".
I had no other option, and I was made for that moment!
I knew, Very Well, that if it were not for the Work of GOD in this, it would not be happening.
I could have never brought myself to that very place where GOD came to Me!
HE made me see the Truth of who I was and How much I needed a Savior.
But He never called me to press His work, but His Gospel.
I felt as if GOD backed me into a corner, turned my fingers back, and told me to say "Uncle".
I had no other option, and I was made for that moment!
I knew, Very Well, that if it were not for the Work of GOD in this, it would not be happening.
I could have never brought myself to that very place where GOD came to Me!
HE made me see the Truth of who I was and How much I needed a Savior.
But He never called me to press His work, but His Gospel.
No. Humans are disfunctional according to God the Father. The problem is that their motivation for every thought and action is self. The Father wants humans to acknowledge Him and to love Him and all He loves. The human time line is the assembly line of the manufacturing of humans. We are all born defective and guilty of our own defect because of Adam and Eve. As the starting point for the manufacturing of humans, their characteristics are inherited by their descendants. When their motivation turned to self and they ate the fruit from the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, they developed a conscience and came under the Law of Conscience, knowing right from wrong. It is our conscience that we are born with that condemns us. Scripture states that where there is no law, there is no transgression. We are all born condemned because we are all born defective and under the Law. The Law and our free will make us responsible for our behavior and we all fail. With spiritual beings created in His kingdom who are observing His interactions with humans, He displays His Justice by condemning all humans. He wants humans in His kingdom but they cannot be defective. To display His Grace and Mercy, He provides a means for the remission of sins and for fixing our defect. He does this by changing our state of being and our motivation. When a person is baptized in the name of the Father, he is given a state of being of divine repentance where the person acknowledges his sins and turns to God for forgiveness and strength to overcome. The Father provides knowledge of the forgiveness of sins through Jesus the Christ, and gets baptized in the name of Christ when he believes. Christ then baptizes the person in the name of the Holy Spirit who changes His motivation for every thought and action to love for God first and everyone else second. In this way the saved person will be obeying the Spirit of the Law upon which the Letter of the Law is based. No one is forced to do anything and the gift of God is gladly accepted by all to whom it is offered.
switch
noun
a slender, flexible shoot, rod, etc., used especially in whipping or disciplining.
an act of whipping or beating with or as with such an object; a stroke, lash, or whisking movement.
Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
noun
a slender, flexible shoot, rod, etc., used especially in whipping or disciplining.
an act of whipping or beating with or as with such an object; a stroke, lash, or whisking movement.
Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
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You had said THIS: "Actually nothing to boast about, the faith required is the same for each and every person."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your position is that God gives the faith to believe to all men. So that is what prompted my questions.
Are WE better?
Are WE more moral?
Are WE more intelligent?
Than those who were given the faith, yet rejected it?
I don't see how the exact opposite ISN'T true. If the faith doesn't come from God, or if everyone was given the same faith as those that acted upon the faith given by God, then you, by necessity, MUST boast that you are Better, more moral, and more intelligent than those that had the faith and rejected Him.
Yes we do differ here. If we are not given saving faith, then how can it possibly be NOT boasting that you were better, more moral, and smarter than others that rejected Him!?
On top of that, the text TELLS us that we are given the faith, PRECISELY because we can't boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9
New King James Version
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, AND THAT not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
The "that" there is absolutely referring to the faith. By very definition of the word it would be redundant to say that the "that" is referring to grace. Grace ALREADY means unmerited favor. Not to mention the "faith" is grammatically the closest word to the "that".
Truthfully, I had no idea of who John Calvin was, or what his theology was until I came to this site a decade ago. I still don't like being labelled anything but a Christian.
I've asked this question repeatedly over the years with no satisfactory answer. And remember, I'm not defending a position, I'm seeking the truth on this stuff.
How can a DEAD person, who IS SPIRITUALLY DEAD, choose to believe the Gospel, and accept Jesus, and become "born again" ? We're DEAD!
And I don't see how on one account, someone can say "world" means EVERYONE in the world, and yet here say, that "dead" really doesn't mean DEAD.
Ephesians 2:1
New King James Version
2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
Made alive, or "quickened" in the KJV. I believe our faith given to us by God is ACTIVATED, or quickened when we hear the Gospel.
Matthew 8:22
New King James Version
22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”
WHO is Jesus talking about here being dead, yet still able to bury dead people!?
Not sure why this is part of the conversation. I didn't say it was, nor do I believe it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your position is that God gives the faith to believe to all men. So that is what prompted my questions.
Are WE better?
Are WE more moral?
Are WE more intelligent?
Than those who were given the faith, yet rejected it?
I don't see how the exact opposite ISN'T true. If the faith doesn't come from God, or if everyone was given the same faith as those that acted upon the faith given by God, then you, by necessity, MUST boast that you are Better, more moral, and more intelligent than those that had the faith and rejected Him.
Yes we do differ here. If we are not given saving faith, then how can it possibly be NOT boasting that you were better, more moral, and smarter than others that rejected Him!?
On top of that, the text TELLS us that we are given the faith, PRECISELY because we can't boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9
New King James Version
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, AND THAT not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
The "that" there is absolutely referring to the faith. By very definition of the word it would be redundant to say that the "that" is referring to grace. Grace ALREADY means unmerited favor. Not to mention the "faith" is grammatically the closest word to the "that".
Truthfully, I had no idea of who John Calvin was, or what his theology was until I came to this site a decade ago. I still don't like being labelled anything but a Christian.
I've asked this question repeatedly over the years with no satisfactory answer. And remember, I'm not defending a position, I'm seeking the truth on this stuff.
How can a DEAD person, who IS SPIRITUALLY DEAD, choose to believe the Gospel, and accept Jesus, and become "born again" ? We're DEAD!
And I don't see how on one account, someone can say "world" means EVERYONE in the world, and yet here say, that "dead" really doesn't mean DEAD.
Ephesians 2:1
New King James Version
2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
Made alive, or "quickened" in the KJV. I believe our faith given to us by God is ACTIVATED, or quickened when we hear the Gospel.
Matthew 8:22
New King James Version
22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”
WHO is Jesus talking about here being dead, yet still able to bury dead people!?
Not sure why this is part of the conversation. I didn't say it was, nor do I believe it.
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No, not everyone will become saved and we can do nothing to save ourselves. Those saved are saved solely through
grace - it being a free gift of God. Anything other than that makes it our work, and in God's eyes, work incurs debt, not grace.
Jesus Christ alone is the Saviour, we are not.
grace - it being a free gift of God. Anything other than that makes it our work, and in God's eyes, work incurs debt, not grace.
Jesus Christ alone is the Saviour, we are not.
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