Salvation is for the Whole World

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Magenta

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Adam and Eve were perfect
God proclaimed them as "good" and "very good" as part of His creation.

Christ alone is perfect, and we are perfected in Him alone.
 

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For most people they would know that the 99% stated is not a statistical number derived from a formula, but an expression which relates that the majority is extremely greater than the minority.
Revelation speaks of a number that no man can number. I've read your posts that you believe most aren't saved. I believe alot more than you think will be saved.
But I was asking a specific person the question for a reason. If that was his reason, why didn't he say so?
 
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I believe Jesus is God. Do you?
What would you call a being who with the power of God the Father created all things created? Christ is the Lord and God of all creation, but the Father is the Father (even before Christ became human) and God of Christ. He was sent to do the Father's will while He was in heaven in all His glory. They have different wills but Christ subjugates his will to the Father's will.
 

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Runningman was very evasive about stating who he believed Jesus to be. He was banned on February 12th. Perhaps he felt he was about to be banned and prepared for it one week earlier.
 

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What would you call a being who with the power of God the Father created all things created? Christ is the Lord and God of all creation, but the Father is the Father (even before Christ became human) and God of Christ. He was sent to do the Father's will while He was in heaven in all His glory. They have different wills but Christ subjugates his will to the Father's will.
Do you believe Jesus is a created being?
 
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Do you believe Jesus is a created being?
God has always existed. He has no beginning and no end. He transcends time, is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, just, and merciful. He can be described as an essence that permeates everywhere and possesses a mind, heart, and soul. Eph 4: 6 There is...One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. The Father and Christ are two seperate entities. The Father is a thinking, emotional, logical, and willful spiritual essence that transcends space, time, and dimensions entirely. All things consist of Him and He has always existed. The beginning starts when out of this essence proceeded a being with His own mind and with the qualities of the Father such as the Father's will, emotions, logic, and understanding. This being is referred to as the Word, the Son of God, The Father's right hand, the Son of Man ( when He became a human), Jehovah ( in the Old Testament), Jesus, and the Christ. This being, which we will call Christ, is the Spiritual body of the Father because He is full of the Father's glory ( which is the Father's essence) through which the Father communicates His will and gives the power to achieve it. Christ sits at the Father's right hand because the Father created all things both spiritual and physical through Christ. That makes Christ both Lord and the God of all creation. Deut 4 : 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord, he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath; there is none else.
 

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God has always existed. He has no beginning and no end. He transcends time, is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, just, and merciful. He can be described as an essence that permeates everywhere and possesses a mind, heart, and soul. Eph 4: 6 There is...One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. The Father and Christ are two seperate entities. The Father is a thinking, emotional, logical, and willful spiritual essence that transcends space, time, and dimensions entirely. All things consist of Him and He has always existed. The beginning starts when out of this essence proceeded a being with His own mind and with the qualities of the Father such as the Father's will, emotions, logic, and understanding. This being is referred to as the Word, the Son of God, The Father's right hand, the Son of Man ( when He became a human), Jehovah ( in the Old Testament), Jesus, and the Christ. This being, which we will call Christ, is the Spiritual body of the Father because He is full of the Father's glory ( which is the Father's essence) through which the Father communicates His will and gives the power to achieve it. Christ sits at the Father's right hand because the Father created all things both spiritual and physical through Christ. That makes Christ both Lord and the God of all creation. Deut 4 : 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord, he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath; there is none else.
That's a long answer. I asked is Jesus a created being. Can you please answer just yes or no?
 
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What would you call a being who with the power of God the Father created all things created? Christ is the Lord and God of all creation, but the Father is the Father (even before Christ became human) and God of Christ. He was sent to do the Father's will while He was in heaven in all His glory. They have different wills but Christ subjugates his will to the Father's will.
I would call Him, God!

From the oldest Greek Text still in existence, 3rd Century AD:

Make sure to catch the phrase, Who is Himself God ><
 

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Magenta

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“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to
us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

2 Peter 3:9
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You cannot base any theology on one verse. It needs to take its substance from the whole Bible's teachings. Yes, the sins of the whole world are propitiated, but the Bible also says that a large majority of humans will reject God's gracious offer of the forgiveness of their sins.
Yes, see how God is a gentleman and does not force his gift upon us, but gave us freewill. He didn’t make us like robots that must obey Him.
Even The archangels/angels had their own freewill. But Lucifer believed in Luck. So he became the loser.
Acts 5:32 KJV
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
 

Underwhosewings

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I’m saying it’s wrong. Not only wrong but demonically heretical to its very core. I’m sick of calvinistic garbage being permitted on this site, confusing and harming people new to the faith who are still learning the Gospel, causing fear and uncertainty regarding God’s love and grace.
Yes,
Salvation is NOT
a “Lucky Dip”
 

Mem

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There is a gift so great and valuable that whoever sees it they will take it. It is in a dark room and can only be found if the light is turned on. There is a switch on the wall that turns on the light.

If you believe only the creator of the room can reach the light, you believe one way. If you believe anyone who enters the room can turn on the light, you believe another way.
What if anyone could turn on the switch but the gift had a tag on it that said, "For you! From God." How many people would open it and how many would say,
?
 

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Calvinists!!!

1 Corinthians 5:6 KJV
Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
 
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That's a long answer. I asked is Jesus a created being. Can you please answer just yes or no?
Hebrews 1: 5 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1: 5 Christ's existence emanated from the Father's essence from which all things exist. Christ is the first living spiritual being that came from the Father. That is why He is the Father's Son. Just like the Father, Christ has His own mind, heart, and soul. Because the Father's essence completely fills Christ's being, Christ, with His free will, chooses to love and obey Him. That is why He sits at the Father's right hand (to do the Father's will). The Father communicates His will to the Son through His essence. The Father and Son are One in that whatever the Father wants, the Son wants also. The Son's will might differ from the Father, but the Son gladly acquiesces to the will of the Father. When Christ became a man, the essence of God the Father, through which Mary's seed was fertilized,
again resulted in Christ being born but this time as a human. The Father and Son relationship occurs a second time.
Isaiah 43: 10 ...
before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last.
 
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Yes, see how God is a gentleman and does not force his gift upon us, but gave us freewill. He didn’t make us like robots that must obey Him.
Even The archangels/angels had their own freewill. But Lucifer believed in Luck. So he became the loser.
Acts 5:32 KJV
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
God's gift is a state of being. You can't refuse it because you are already in that state of being. His gift is not like an object that you can accept or reject. Repentance, faith, and being filled with divine love are all states of being. Being born again means that there has been a change in your state of being (which is produced by God).
 

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There is a gift so great and valuable that whoever sees it they will take it. It is in a dark room and can only be found if the light is turned on. There is a switch on the wall that turns on the light.

If you believe only the creator of the room can reach the light, you believe one way. If you believe anyone who enters the room can turn on the light, you believe another way.
Did you write that?

Gift = Salvation / sins forgiven
Dark Room = Born sinners / no light
Light = word of God brings light
Switch = Faith
 

Mem

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Hebrews 1: 5 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1: 5 Christ's existence emanated from the Father's essence from which all things exist. Christ is the first living spiritual being that came from the Father. That is why He is the Father's Son. Just like the Father, Christ has His own mind, heart, and soul. Because the Father's essence completely fills Christ's being, Christ, with His free will, chooses to love and obey Him. That is why He sits at the Father's right hand (to do the Father's will). The Father communicates His will to the Son through His essence. The Father and Son are One in that whatever the Father wants, the Son wants also. The Son's will might differ from the Father, but the Son gladly acquiesces to the will of the Father. When Christ became a man, the essence of God the Father, through which Mary's seed was fertilized,
again resulted in Christ being born but this time as a human. The Father and Son relationship occurs a second time.
Isaiah 43: 10 ...
before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last.
Jesus didn't always exist in the garment of flesh, but He always existed, does exist, and will exist, as He is Present, always. He stepped out of His glory and into man's humility at His first advent.
Philippians 2:9-11 is provided as example in defining the term "Lord (kurios: Strong's Greek 2962) as meaning:

c. this title is given α. to God, the ruler of the universe (so the Sept. for אֲדֹנָי, אֱלוהַּ, אֱלֹהִים, יְהוָה, and יָהּ; (the term κύριος is used of the gods from Pindar and Sophocles down, but "the address κύριε, used in prayer to God, though frequent in Epictetus does not occur (so far as I am aware) in any heathen writing before the apostolic times; sometimes we find κύριε ὁ Θεός, and once (2, 7, 12) he writes κύριε ἐλέησόν (Lightfoot on Philippians, p. 314 note{3})))
you can read on through this entry at BibleHub to see how the Father affects His glory and How He reciprocates in affecting the Father's glory.