Salvation is for the Whole World
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Not saying they are right or wrong, only that a Calvinist would say that the "whole world" would refer to the whole ELECT world, gentile or Jew around the world, NOT just in Israel, or the Roman Provinces, for all times.
I heard prominent Calvinist R.C. Sproul say that if 1 John 2:2 means exactly what it says, then Calvinism is wrong.
I heard prominent Calvinist R.C. Sproul say that if 1 John 2:2 means exactly what it says, then Calvinism is wrong.
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Amen repentance is the call to all
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“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
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“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
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John, a Jew, an apostle is the one writing the epistle of 1 John -
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— the life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ." (1John 1:1-3)
John is writing to other Jews -
"Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard." (1John 2:7)
John here is explaining that Jesus Christ is the expiation for the whole world, Gentiles as well as Jews. The phrase "whole world" does not mean every person without exception. I have found no Greek-English Lexicon or English dictionary that defines "the world" in as everyone without exception. It must be 'read into' the phrase.
"So I ask, have they stumbled so as to fall? By no means! But through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean! Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry in order to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?" (Rom 11:11-15)
John 3:16 records the same thing as Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus, Jew, a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews, a teacher of Israel and he informs this Pharisee that God so loved the world, not just Jews. This same writer, John, gives us who the world is in Revelation -
"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of [or from] every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;" (Rev 5:9)
There is the world Jesus loves! Notice Jesus Christ by his blood redeemed men to God "out of", not everyone of each kindred, tongue, people and nation without exception.
It is no wonder that most evangelicals cannot refute the Jehovah's Witnesses, they use the same superficial proof texting the JWs do, not truly understanding the verses they string together.
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— the life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ." (1John 1:1-3)
John is writing to other Jews -
"Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard." (1John 2:7)
John here is explaining that Jesus Christ is the expiation for the whole world, Gentiles as well as Jews. The phrase "whole world" does not mean every person without exception. I have found no Greek-English Lexicon or English dictionary that defines "the world" in as everyone without exception. It must be 'read into' the phrase.
"So I ask, have they stumbled so as to fall? By no means! But through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean! Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry in order to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?" (Rom 11:11-15)
John 3:16 records the same thing as Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus, Jew, a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews, a teacher of Israel and he informs this Pharisee that God so loved the world, not just Jews. This same writer, John, gives us who the world is in Revelation -
"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of [or from] every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;" (Rev 5:9)
There is the world Jesus loves! Notice Jesus Christ by his blood redeemed men to God "out of", not everyone of each kindred, tongue, people and nation without exception.
It is no wonder that most evangelicals cannot refute the Jehovah's Witnesses, they use the same superficial proof texting the JWs do, not truly understanding the verses they string together.
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It is one of those things that are best left in the hands of GOD and not to be made another opportunity to cause division among the brethren. That is their (the enemy) plan to overtake us.
When we get off on these tangents that do not draw us closer together in the Spirit, the enemy rejoices that we are playing right into his plan. We must walk in peace and forbearance. That is how the world, and the brethren, will know that we truly are disciples of our LORD, and sons of GOD. We will know them by their fruit.
There are no scriptures that command that this subject is a requirement of our salvation.
We become servants of the enemy when we go beyond what is plain in the scriptures and force it upon the brethren, stirring to controversy. It is wrong to stir up division. It is called heresy.
Let us love one another, share, pray that those that do not see will have their eyes opened by the Father, and do all to keep the Unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Please read Eph. 4:1-16.
When we get off on these tangents that do not draw us closer together in the Spirit, the enemy rejoices that we are playing right into his plan. We must walk in peace and forbearance. That is how the world, and the brethren, will know that we truly are disciples of our LORD, and sons of GOD. We will know them by their fruit.
There are no scriptures that command that this subject is a requirement of our salvation.
We become servants of the enemy when we go beyond what is plain in the scriptures and force it upon the brethren, stirring to controversy. It is wrong to stir up division. It is called heresy.
Let us love one another, share, pray that those that do not see will have their eyes opened by the Father, and do all to keep the Unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Please read Eph. 4:1-16.
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I’m saying it’s wrong. Not only wrong but demonically heretical to its very core. I’m sick of calvinistic garbage being permitted on this site, confusing and harming people new to the faith who are still learning the Gospel, causing fear and uncertainty regarding God’s love and grace.
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Luke 12:51 KJV
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
1 Corinthians 9:16 KJV
…woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!…
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
1 Corinthians 9:16 KJV
…woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!…
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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Wow! Your testimony is beyond powerful! May God always protect you and your loved ones from this and all heresies. ❤️🙏God bless you, @Underwhosewings.
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