All sins, past, present and future were forgiven to those that God gave to his Son to redeem them from their sins on the cross and secured their eternal inheritance of heaven. No unrepented sin will take away their inheritance of heaven. God looks upon them as holy and without blame because of what Jesus accomplished for them on the cross. God looks at their sins, as being as far away as the east is from the west.
WHAT IS SIN AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF SIN???????????
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All sins, past, present and future were forgiven to those that God gave to his Son to redeem them from their sins on the cross and secured their eternal inheritance of heaven. No unrepented sin will take away their inheritance of heaven. God looks upon them as holy and without blame because of what Jesus accomplished for them on the cross. God looks at their sins, as being as far away as the east is from the west.
An excellent post.
That word, 'love', is very much absent from human history.
That word. 'love', appears 39 times in John's Gospel alone.
We understand what sin is because we have a natural disposition to sin.
When it comes to reflecting Christ's divine love, well that's another matter.
1 John 4:7
Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
1 John 4:8
The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from a sincere faith.
That word, 'love', is very much absent from human history.
That word. 'love', appears 39 times in John's Gospel alone.
We understand what sin is because we have a natural disposition to sin.
When it comes to reflecting Christ's divine love, well that's another matter.
1 John 4:7
Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
1 John 4:8
The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from a sincere faith.
What is sin?
I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Consequences of sin?
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
When are we saved?
I Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
I Ths 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Christians are saved at the seventh (last) trumpet, at the return of Christ.
i don’t much care what men teach but I most assuredly care what Christ teaches…
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Consequences of sin?
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
When are we saved?
I Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
I Ths 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Christians are saved at the seventh (last) trumpet, at the return of Christ.
i don’t much care what men teach but I most assuredly care what Christ teaches…
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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And the current definition of the Law is:
Matthew 22:
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22:
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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Good question. Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.
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Those passages are placed in the context of persuading everyone that they need saved because they have sin. Look just a little further, 6 verses later, at Romans 5:18
18So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
18So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Luke 18: 13b Instead, he beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner!’ 14I tell you, this man, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Seems to me you have to keep yourself humbled, like the tax collector.
Seems to me you have to keep yourself humbled, like the tax collector.
What you are quoting have nothing to do with what I said previously or connects to it. I'll say it again. Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.
When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).
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Thats true what Paul says Roman 5: 18, but you are not understanding the book (Bible) from Genesis to Romans. Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.
So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
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I wouldn't say that was as an direct answer as it might appear to be at first glance. Jesus is a teacher and good teachers lead their students through their errors in thinking to help them come to the correct conclusion. I came across an intriguing commentary, by JohnDB if I remember correctly, that I think esplained this passage very well but I'd be hard pressed to find it again and link it here for viewing. Anyway, Jesus leads in with, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:" Then, the young ruler asks, "which ones'?" and (isn't that an interesting question in itself? but) Jesus starts out with the 6th commandment, lists the 7th and 8th, refers back to the fifth, and concludes by summarizing the 9th and 10th but Jesus conspicuously 'fails' to mention the first four. The Lord only mentioned those the younger ruler could subsequently brag about, "All these I have kept. What do I still lack?"
Going back to Jesus' inquiry, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:" and the Lord followed with "but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." This is as Jesus saying, "there is none good but God, but if you think you are good...and can will yourself into life, other than by the goodness of God, there is that you (have to) keep the commandments (if you think you can)." Knowing all the while that the young ruler failed in keeping the first four commandments.
Going back to Jesus' inquiry, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:" and the Lord followed with "but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." This is as Jesus saying, "there is none good but God, but if you think you are good...and can will yourself into life, other than by the goodness of God, there is that you (have to) keep the commandments (if you think you can)." Knowing all the while that the young ruler failed in keeping the first four commandments.
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I myself am immune to the consequences of sin.
● John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who listen to my message and believe in
God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their
sins, but they have already passed from death into life.
FAQ: Wouldn't immunity be an obstruction of justice?
REPLY: It would very definitely be an obstruction of justice were not I a joint
participant in Jesus' crucifixion
● Rom 6:3 . . Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into
Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
● Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him
● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
● Col 3:3 . . For you died when Christ died
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I myself am immune to the consequences of sin.
● John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who listen to my message and believe in
God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their
sins, but they have already passed from death into life.
FAQ: Wouldn't immunity be an obstruction of justice?
REPLY: It would very definitely be an obstruction of justice were not I a joint
participant in Jesus' crucifixion
● Rom 6:3 . . Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into
Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
● Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him
● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
● Col 3:3 . . For you died when Christ died
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