Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

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Mem said:
If I write you a check that requires your endorsement, is it no longer grace if you do not sign it?
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I don't see the equivalency in that example. How about this?
I run up $100 in debt. I agree to pay or go to jail. Someone else pays the debt for me and the holder of the debt accepts the payment as settling my debt. Is he just if he still sends me to jail?
 
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Cameron143 said:
I don't see the equivalency in that example. How about this?
I run up $100 in debt. I agree to pay or go to jail. Someone else pays the debt for me and the holder of the debt accepts the payment as settling my debt. Is he just if he still sends me to jail?
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In my example, you are the transfer agent, I think... there's a transfer agent required anyway. The check is written to you and you transfer it to the jailer. Perhaps this requirement is that "light burden' that Jesus speaks of.
 
Mem said:
In my example, you are the transfer agent, I think... there's a transfer agent required anyway. The check is written to you and you transfer it to the jailer. Perhaps this requirement is that "light burden' that Jesus speaks of.
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You've made it about me. The question is about God.
 
Cameron143 said:
Is unbelief a sin? Isn't that already paid for?
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Sins have been paid for but not appropriated to an individual until one believes...unto all and upon all them that believe.

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
 
Cameron143 said:
You've made it about me. The question is about God.
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What did the Israelites lack that they were not permitted to enter into God's rest? Faith. So, to suit them, he drew up another way that they could try to enter, to show them they were better off, with faith, in the first place. Is this that much of a stretch that He should ask such even a little thing from us?
 
Cameron143 said:
You've made it about me. The question is about God.
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Appropriated or not, payment has been accepted.
You are doing what most people do. You make it about the individual.
From God's perspective, just yes or no, is He just if He accepts a payment and still exacts punishment?
 
Mem said:
What did the Israelites lack that they were not permitted to enter into God's rest? Faith. So, to suit them, he drew up another way that they could try to enter, to show them they were better off, with faith, in the first place. Is this that much of a stretch that He should ask such even a little thing from us?
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Again, I'm only asking about God. The justice of God is independent of people's response.
 
Cameron143 said:
Even if that is so, aren't there still people in hell whose payment for sin has been accepted and still they are being penalized?
It also raises another question: if there is a requirement, is it still grace?
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Sins are paid in full, for those who believe on Christ and accept His free gift. Otherwise they walk away throwing Christ's free gift back in His face. God sends no one to hell. Each person makes that choice to believe and obey or to walk away.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Sins are paid in full, for those who believe on Christ and accept His free gift. Otherwise they walk away throwing Christ's free gift back in His face. God sends no one to hell. Each person makes that choice to believe and obey or to walk away.
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And it's no wonder that they are considered foolish!
 
Underwhosewings said:
We see in the Holy Bible that Jesus said, God so loved the world, now that speaks for itself.
But Jesus said “should” not perish.
He said “should” not perish, because we (the world) as sinners, have a responsibility and that is in the next verse below, where Jesus said
“Repent.”
No longer doing what is right in our own eyes.
Ephesians 4:22 KJV
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Matthew 4:17 KJV
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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If you believe God loved all mankind, and Jesus died for all mankind, Im afraid you are deceived friend.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
Sins are paid in full, for those who believe on Christ and accept His free gift. Otherwise they walk away throwing Christ's free gift back in His face. God sends no one to hell. Each person makes that choice to believe and obey or to walk away.
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Only the ones who believe in Jesus Christ had their sins paid for, all others who never come to believe in Jesus Christ didnt have their sins paid for, so they were never given the Gift of Believing on Christ.
 
Cameron143 said:
Appropriated or not, payment has been accepted.
You are doing what most people do. You make it about the individual.
From God's perspective, just yes or no, is He just if He accepts a payment and still exacts punishment?
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This answer was actually in response to John 146
 
Matt 26: 39 And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt. John 6: 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will but the will of Him that sent me. From these verses we can see that the Father and the Son have different wills although the Son subjugates His will and obeys the Father's will. Christ is the God who is active in both the Old and New Testament and fulfills the Father's will.
Exodus 6: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Christ appeared to them in the name of the Father but His name is Jehovah. It was the Father that appeared in Spirit because Christ is filled with the Father's Spirit and and the Father's Spirit talks through Christ ( JEHOVAH) (who is also a spirit).
Christ is our Savior, our Lord, and our God, but the Father is the father and God of all. Christ died for all mankind and wishes that all be saved but the Father's justice demands that only a few be saved. If He saves all, there is no justice because we are all condemned already and sin would have to be allowed in heaven which means that He would no longer be sovereign. If He condemns all, He would be merciless. To show His mercy, He saves a few by baptizing them in His name by bestowing on them the state of being of repentance for their sins so that the sinner turns to Him for forgiveness.The Father in turn uses different means to bring him the knowledge of forgiveness of sins through Christ. Christ then baptizes the repentant sinner in His name by bestowing on him the faith needed to believe in His work on the cross for the forgiveness of his sins and in the name of the Holy Spirit when the cleansed but still sinful sinner gets perfected. He gets filled with the Spiritual essence of the Father and the Son who fill his heart with the divine love necessary to obey the Spirit of the Law given by Christ which is to love God first and everyone else as he loves himself.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
Sins are paid in full, for those who believe on Christ and accept His free gift. Otherwise they walk away throwing Christ's free gift back in His face. God sends no one to hell. Each person makes that choice to believe and obey or to walk away.
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Again, not about me or others. It's about God. So, is God just if He accepts a payment for a debt and still exacts punishment?
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
You can keep repeating it, but the Bible is 100% clear in what it says. All kinds of verses have proved you wrong.
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I will keep repeating it, people who believe Jesus Christ died for all mankind, and or God desires the salvation of all mankind, are duped by you know who ! Rev 20:7-8

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
 
brightfame52 said:
I will keep repeating it, people who believe Jesus Christ died for all mankind, and or God desires the salvation of all mankind, are duped by you know who ! Rev 20:7-8

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
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1000 times no! Christ died for ALL, the WORLD, WHOSOEVER WILL. And I'm betting CC also stands by that belief because it is what the Word says.
 
Jesus offered His life so that all may be saved yet not all are saved because not all believe in His life, death, and resurrection as proof. God's acceptance of the payment as valid is not what impedes the salvation of those that do not believe, but their lack of faith in that proof. Calvinlike thinking says that God must provide the proof (faith) first before anyone has faith in in, which crosses my eyes.
 
Mem said:
Jesus offered His life so that all may be saved yet not all are saved because not all believe in His life, death, and resurrection as proof. God's acceptance of the payment as valid is not what impedes the salvation of those that do not believe, but their lack of faith in that proof. Calvinlike thinking says that God must provide the proof (faith) first before anyone has faith in in, which crosses my eyes.
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God's acceptance of the payment is essential to the question of justice. Again, you have introduced another topic. My question doesn't deal with salvation or people. God is just. It is an immutable attribute of God. It means His behavior must always exercise justice.
Does accepting the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for payment of the sin of all people but still requiring some to pay for their sins reflect justice?
 
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