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JohnDB said:
Well it's going to have to wait.

After this visit to the middle of nowhere GA I apparently am buying a house. It's almost a tar paper shack but with a case of lipstic and a few rolls of ribbon on this pig it might be worth kissing.

So I'm driving to home tomorrow to pack up my place in TN and that's going to be a massive undertaking. With me being a baker and a chef and leathercrafts and woodworker and hobby theologian trying to understand Hebrew and Greek and Latin and Aramaic as well as anthropology and history....
And
Then as an electrician and mechanic and.....
Needless to say that I've accumulated some books and junk....

Then my wife is not much different than me in a lot of respects....sewing, knitting, paper crafts, and editing and writing and calligraphy and.....should I continue? She has electronics and is my partner in crime with Patisserie projects. (Packaging)

Needless to say I have to throw away two couches just so I have room for the boxes and bicycle. Nevermind the dishes and odds and ends. I'm going to need to work diligently just to pack up the pantry...nevermind the rest. I got 6 weeks to pack and move.
Wanna come help?
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We moved from Florida to Tennessee 2 years ago and we are still unpacking.
 
notonmywatch said:
I really have no response, except to say that everyone here is free to share their takes on this topic. I certainly don't claim to be an expert on this topic, and I'm also certainly not here to fight with anybody. We've both shared our takes, and I'm okay with that. Have a blessed day.
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I guess that is what these forums are all about.
I appreciate we can agree to disagree and just leave it there. Thanks.
God bless you too.
 
Papermonkey said:
That's legalism.

If God joins couples together and he doesn't approve domestic violence then it may be inferred such a marriage was not a union made by God. And therefore,divorce is proper because God would not join a woman with an unbeliever.
Rather, that union is of God's enemy.

Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers.

I don't think a woman should only have known marriage is as an abusive relationship.

And if she lives to divorce should not have to remain yoked to her abuser even in spirit.

God forgives.
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Being yoked with an unbeliever is another red herring
 
notonmywatch said:
Pretty much. I don't know if you read my other post here yet or not, but there's also this to seriously consider:

Jeremiah 3:1
They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

This certainly seems like a disannulling of what Moses wrote in Deuteronomy chapter 24 to me in that the LORD himself was willing to take back his put away wife in direct contrast to Moses' precept.
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Perhaps you should read the verses after Jeremiah 3:1.

Jeremiah 3:8 God says, I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries.
 
Magenta said:
Perhaps you should read the verses after Jeremiah 3:1.

Jeremiah 3:8 God says, I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries.
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I have read them many times. I'm not sure what your point is. I could offer a somewhat educated guess, but I'd rather that you just elaborate a bit if you don't mind, and then I will respond accordingly. Thank you.
 
mustaphadrink said:
Because the passage is not dealing with a Christian marrying an unbeliever.
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Someone who abused their spouse is an unbeliever in scripture.

And quite frankly, if a wife is being abused by her husband, don't worry about if the bible gives permission to get out of that situation.

Get out of that situation.

If you worship something that tells you to suffer abuse because that something you worship says you have to endure the abuse and suffer, get out of that relationship and faith.

Because anything that claims it wants you to suffer abuse is not of God! It is Satanic.
 
Papermonkey said:
Someone who abused their spouse is an unbeliever in scripture.

And quite frankly, if a wife is being abused by her husband, don't worry about if the bible gives permission to get out of that situation.

Get out of that situation.

If you worship something that tells you to suffer abuse because that something you worship says you have to endure the abuse and suffer, get out of that relationship and faith.

Because anything that claims it wants you to suffer abuse is not of God! It is Satanic.
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I fully concur with your estimation.
 
Biblical marriage is so much more than a covenant with our spouse. It is a covenant with our Holy God. And in that covenant, mankind can come closest to grasping what agape love truly is. (Imho)
 
Gojira said:
God hates it. But, would He tell a woman (or a man) who is being abused by their spouse, either mentally or physically or both, that they must remain married?

Jesus gave one out: sexual infidelity. But, I have two solid Christian friends (one man and one woman) who are starting the process of breaking away from their spouses. As far as I know, sexual unfaithfulness is not reason. But, rather, years of mental and physical abuse is.

What say you all?
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We have been called to peace. If there is no peace and your partner cannot dwell with you in peace there is an exception to separate but not to divorce to be remarried, but to seek to be reconciled. 1 Cor. 7:12-16.
 
Papermonkey said:
Because anything that claims it wants you to suffer abuse is not of God! It is Satanic.
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I would be careful stating something like this. What about Jesus, all of the all of the apostles, martyrs, and those that will suffer according to Rev 2:10?
Not saying that there are not times that GOD would call us away from a relationship for a while.

Just be careful...
 
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Gojira said:
The two seeking separations are Christians. It is their spouses who's salvation I seriously question, since neither exhibits fruit, and are abusive towards the Christians I've been talking about. The abusing wife thinks she can do no wrong. Her "sin" was marrying this man who gives her so much trouble (that she threatens divorce, affairs, lunges at him with forks), and the man doesn't admit to any wrong either. He expects his wife to be a slave for his personal needs and enjoyment -- based on the words of the lady, but I generally do trust her, a lot.
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I've been against divorce since I was 5. Guess what happened then?
There were regrets with all it affected including the one who initiated the divorce.
I just listened to a Biblical message that covered this topic and it reminded me of your friends, so I thought I should post it here.
I hope they have reconciled.
This message is 10 times better than anything I ever heard taught by one former non-denominational pastor I knew and was a member of his church. His marriage eventually ended and he remarried. His preaching was weak in this area and married couples in his congregation started leaving their spouses. They were for very frivolous reasons. Anyhow, here's the sermon that might be a blessing.



Tragic Story of Michal
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
I've been against divorce since I was 5. Guess what happened then?
There were regrets with all it affected including the one who initiated the divorce.
I just listened to a Biblical message that covered this topic and it reminded me of your friends, so I thought I should post it here.
I hope they have reconciled.

This message is 10 times better than anything I ever heard taught by one former non-denominational pastor I knew and was a member of his church. His marriage eventually ended and he remarried. His preaching was weak in this area and married couples in his congregation started leaving their spouses. They were for very frivolous reasons. Anyhow, here's the sermon that might be a blessing.



Tragic Story of Michal
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Yeah... easier said than done. I wouldn't want to be in these peoples' shoes for anything in the universe. Easy to judge or speak -- until your spouse becomes physically and mentally abusive.

I don't know what the right answer is, but if these folks did divorce, it would hardly be for frivolous reasons.
 
JohnDB said:
If you had done the extensive research you claimed at Uni...the reason is to publish a paper which then gets published in another publication.

Which means that in order to get published in a respected journal it first gets peer reviewed (also listed) and reviewed by your mentor (also listed) and the supporting post-docs also get listed in a proscribed fashion for credits.

So...
Since you don't understand anything I just said and refuse to link to anything you just said....your assertions are without merit as not only does personal experience of those in regular attendance of church bear out in opposition but so does recent research in this subject.
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In my six years at uni, Not once was it suggested my work would be published.
 
Papermonkey said:
Someone who abused their spouse is an unbeliever in scripture.

And quite frankly, if a wife is being abused by her husband, don't worry about if the bible gives permission to get out of that situation.

Get out of that situation.

If you worship something that tells you to suffer abuse because that something you worship says you have to endure the abuse and suffer, get out of that relationship and faith.

Because anything that claims it wants you to suffer abuse is not of God! It is Satanic.
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You have the ability to throw up red herrings that are not related to the topic.
 
mustaphadrink said:
In my six years at uni, Not once was it suggested my work would be published.
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Then it wasn't "worthy" research.
....meaning worthy to be quoted...

Source documentation, peer review, and qualified study by your mentor. These things are all necessary or it isn't true studying...and that's why no one ever discussed publishing.

I know several published post docs in Christian Biblical research....all the works are done with citations, well reasoned thoughts, peer reviewed, and published works.

Such as the reason Mary thought the resurrected Jesus was a gardner....the symbiotic relationship between husbands and wives and Earth and God. God's goal of Tabernacling with mankind. Education systems in the ANE.

All kinds of published works....including a breakdown of Matthew 19 as originally discussed in Hebrew by Jesus. That one was eye opening for me but once carefully explained...there's perfect harmony in Jesus's character and personality.
 
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