Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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All that the Father gives him, yes.
Otherwise it sounds like you are a proponent of Universalism.
That's correct. More succinctly, the Pharisees were saying Jesus did what He was doing by Satan, and not the Holy Spirit.
28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation
Jesus said ALL SIN..I am just repeating what Jesus said
who did the father give him?
John 6. it is the will of the father that all WHO SEE AND BELIEVE.....
whats different between that and saying that we are not sinners.. or the devil made me do it. or we are saved by works?
unbelief is unbelief.
which is what they did..
Not sure where that came from... Every word in the Bible is needed. But you cannot add to a verse, surmising it's saying something else when it is clear what is being said.
“For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.”
I don't know how anyone can take that to say anything other than it does.
I'll try.
On what basis does God send someone to hell? My answer is sin.
Another poster said it was only the sin of unbelief.
He also said all sin has been atoned for.
Unbelief is a sin. But Unbelief can be forgiven. Otherwise, no one could be saved as we were all once unbelievers.
So logically it follows that if all sin is paid for and sins are what merit hell, everyone in hell is there inspite of the fact that all their sins have been paid for.
Is that what you believe?
You told me to ignore that verse because you cannot explain it. You are willing to assume it has no effect nor impact on the remaining verses. In effect, you are saying to ignore it. Anyway, we're just going circles, so I'm done.
It's not. Go read the passage. It's not concerning salvation, but whose power Jesus does His works by.
There is a pattern I noticed all throughout scripture God detests sin and the ungodly but unbelief really seems to be the kicker for him I mean even in the old testament there was a way to have your sins clean and he does get angry at sin but take a look at anyone in the bible who had unbelief in him it isn't pretty.
So likewise I think hr does call all of mankind and he calls and he calls but unbelief is something that quite frankly I am surprised he is so patient with
maybe this will help
there is a band of 100 people. who are ruled by a righteous person. In denial. all 100 people reject the ruler and decide they will be their own ruler. out of this comes a multitude of sin. and all of them, based on the law of the place are found guilty and sentenced to pay for their crimes
but the righteous ruler loves his 100 people. so he ends up paying for all of their crimes so they could be set free. But he also loves them enough to give them the change to reject his love and remain in their sin. in the end 50 people humble themselves and recieve the salvation the ruler offered them, while th eother 50 refused to repent and remained in their sin
in the end, the 50 people who rejected the ruler (unbelief) were condemned
the 50 who receved the rulers forgiveness because they learned and came to trust in him were not condemned
Who earned there just reward?
the ones who were saved because they believed
or the ones who were condemned because they rejected?
No, Savior of all, Lord of all the earth. But that doesn't mean all will be saved. His blood is for all that are willing to come to him. Imagine an earthly king, is he king of the whole country or just certain people? He is king over all or he's not king.
people say God is diffrent in the OT, he stuck his whip. but look how much grace and patience he showed the people? even the flood was a last resort when there was no one left..