Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....
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So, only "spirit-filled" who MUST "live a life like Christ" have the "free" pass,
and believers who fail (man's criteria) have Eternal Condemnation? =
Then what do you do with "always How God Wants It," When He Plainly Said, In
Scripture?:
Amazing to me is, God Said It THREE Times, Yet man tells me it is not true?
And, How God Wants The Following 12-Dozen Scriptures To Further
Clearly Confirm What He Plainly Said?:
God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
+
God's Eternal Assurance
Scripturally, Because Of This FULL Expense Payment Already Made!:
And, Is it not Also true, that believers In The Body Of Christ, who
did not "live like Christ" are going to Be Saved, But "lose rewards"
At The Judgment Seat Of Christ (1Co 3:8-15):
How does God Say "That is ETERNAL Condemnation," since that is for
UNbelievers (of all ages), At The Great White Throne Judgment in
Rev 20:11-15?
Conclusion: Mixing Up Two Different "Judgments" Cannot be "good,"
but Is "Bad works," Correct?
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Precious friend(s):
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
and believers who fail (man's criteria) have Eternal Condemnation? =
"no one escapes, no one"?
Then what do you do with "always How God Wants It," When He Plainly Said, In
Scripture?:
Rom_5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the FREE GIFT.
For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more
The Grace of God, and The Gift BY Grace, Which is By One Man,
Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom_5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is The
Gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but
The FREE GIFT is of many offences unto justification.
Rom_5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came
upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness
of one The FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.
Amazing to me is, God Said It THREE Times, Yet man tells me it is not true?
And, How God Wants The Following 12-Dozen Scriptures To Further
Clearly Confirm What He Plainly Said?:
God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
+
God's Eternal Assurance
Scripturally, Because Of This FULL Expense Payment Already Made!:
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Christ’s FINISHED Work On The Cross
And, Is it not Also true, that believers In The Body Of Christ, who
did not "live like Christ" are going to Be Saved, But "lose rewards"
At The Judgment Seat Of Christ (1Co 3:8-15):
v 15: "If any man's [bad] work shall be burned, he shall
suffer loss: but he himself Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire."
How does God Say "That is ETERNAL Condemnation," since that is for
UNbelievers (of all ages), At The Great White Throne Judgment in
Rev 20:11-15?
Conclusion: Mixing Up Two Different "Judgments" Cannot be "good,"
but Is "Bad works," Correct?
--------------------
Precious friend(s):
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
You forgot something when quoting Matthew 5:17.
You forgot verse 18.
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Matthew 5:17-18
I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Jesus said He came to fulfill the law.
Do you believe that Jesus fulfilled the law, as He plainly said He came to do?
Nothing will pass from the law until it is fulfilled.
The law was fulfilled on the cross, and therefore has been abolished.
For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. Ephesians 2:14-16
And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 2:13-17
Until is the key here in Matthew 5:17-18
Paul understood this clearly.
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19
We are to keep His commandments for sure. The ones written on our heart and mind.
The sabbath according to the law of Moses was kept as such —
Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:15
Do you believe we are to put people to death for picking up sticks to kindle a fire on the Sabbath?
JPT
What I meant was if a Christian is going to sin, Knowing it is a sin that breaks the commandments saying "Christ had died for my Sins, so I don't have to worry. Then yes. That particular Christian is prone to Judgement.
For Example: You shall not kill.
The Christian goes and kills somebody. Then says, "God has died for my sins so I don't have to worry." The Law is dead. Now that's dangerous way live a life as a Christian. That's no Christian in the first place. Because his or her actions say otherwise.
I read a few comments before my last one to which you replied and it was in response to those comments. Because I don't want a brother or a sister in Christ to think that the 10 Commandments don't mean a thing.
To me the 10 Commandments is like a moral compass which God gave man. My understanding and the way I grew up in faith is such and I don't think it's wrong. It makes a Christian better is what I believe. That's what the passages I quoted from the Bible from the Gospels. and the Pauline letters gives and my understanding.
It's what I believe. Don't worry. My intention is not to force it on anyone.
Anyway. I'm calling it day.
You guys want to see all black and red in what I said, Go ahead.
For Example: You shall not kill.
The Christian goes and kills somebody. Then says, "God has died for my sins so I don't have to worry." The Law is dead. Now that's dangerous way live a life as a Christian. That's no Christian in the first place. Because his or her actions say otherwise.
I read a few comments before my last one to which you replied and it was in response to those comments. Because I don't want a brother or a sister in Christ to think that the 10 Commandments don't mean a thing.
To me the 10 Commandments is like a moral compass which God gave man. My understanding and the way I grew up in faith is such and I don't think it's wrong. It makes a Christian better is what I believe. That's what the passages I quoted from the Bible from the Gospels. and the Pauline letters gives and my understanding.
It's what I believe. Don't worry. My intention is not to force it on anyone.
Anyway. I'm calling it day.
You guys want to see all black and red in what I said, Go ahead.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
This is not speaking of the Law of our flesh, but the Law of Moses. Romans 7 talks about another law in our members.
3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
How are we made righteous, through obeying the Law or the obedience of faith? My understanding is we can't look at the law and try to obey it without failing. (I think of Nicodemos who was keeping all the commadments in the outward appearance , but when Jesus tested him, he was found covet his own possessions over God) I see it as a heart issue we deal with now by the Spirit leading us to.... for example: not being angry with someone because that is the same as murder. Or lusting after a woman, that's the same as adultery. The commands of Jesus actually keep us from offending all the Law and prophets.
That's why I think He said " you have heard it said of old time" or Moses said, and you've heard it said. But I(Jesus) say unto you.
In summary, I see that we fulfill the law as we walk in Christ's commands. We should try and live by the law of Christ and of faith by the grace and mercy of Almighty God! Amen!
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
This is not speaking of the Law of our flesh, but the Law of Moses. Romans 7 talks about another law in our members.
3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
How are we made righteous, through obeying the Law or the obedience of faith? My understanding is we can't look at the law and try to obey it without failing. (I think of Nicodemos who was keeping all the commadments in the outward appearance , but when Jesus tested him, he was found covet his own possessions over God) I see it as a heart issue we deal with now by the Spirit leading us to.... for example: not being angry with someone because that is the same as murder. Or lusting after a woman, that's the same as adultery. The commands of Jesus actually keep us from offending all the Law and prophets.
That's why I think He said " you have heard it said of old time" or Moses said, and you've heard it said. But I(Jesus) say unto you.
In summary, I see that we fulfill the law as we walk in Christ's commands. We should try and live by the law of Christ and of faith by the grace and mercy of Almighty God! Amen!
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Yes, and, In His Simplicity, He Has Just ONE Command For His Body:
Christ Living In us, To Fulfil All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love
thy neighbor as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)
Precious friend:
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
Christ Living In us, To Fulfil All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love
thy neighbor as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)
Precious friend:
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
The law requires obedience. Still does after Cross.
You're arguing against obeying the law as if there wasn't always a mercy seat or blood sprinkled as part of the OT imagery. Obedience is still required but seeking forgiveness for stumbling was always part of the process of growth. It's just that the process would be endless because the blood of animals was always representative and could do nothing to cleanse the inside.
The goal is to become like Christ completely.
Paul and James were pointing out the hypocrisy of those who would tout to be keepers of the law even though they were picking and choosing who they would judge in it, playing favorites, and which laws they would obey. The apostles were making the same point that Messiah was making during his ministry; to not be partial with the law.
They were never making an argument against the law but against its would-be teachers.
You're arguing against obeying the law as if there wasn't always a mercy seat or blood sprinkled as part of the OT imagery. Obedience is still required but seeking forgiveness for stumbling was always part of the process of growth. It's just that the process would be endless because the blood of animals was always representative and could do nothing to cleanse the inside.
The goal is to become like Christ completely.
Paul and James were pointing out the hypocrisy of those who would tout to be keepers of the law even though they were picking and choosing who they would judge in it, playing favorites, and which laws they would obey. The apostles were making the same point that Messiah was making during his ministry; to not be partial with the law.
They were never making an argument against the law but against its would-be teachers.
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Your comments are inconsistent with biblical teaching.
Paul wrote in Galatians 3,
"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?"
There is nothing in that passage about picking and choosing which laws to obey.
Paul wrote in Galatians 3,
"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?"
There is nothing in that passage about picking and choosing which laws to obey.
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Tisn't, Dino. Going to post snippets of scripture to save on character space but please read the entire passage referenced.
James 2:1-13
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons...
[...]
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Romans 2:17-23
Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Paul and James were speaking against the hypocrisy of would-be teachers of the law who were being partial to it (that's what the phrase "whole law" means; don't be partial)...just like Messiah did:
Mathew 23:23-28
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and †anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Meanwhile, in Galatians, Paul is addressing a different matter. His point was one no longer needs to perform the tasks of cleansing sin & iniquity (these tasks or "works" MUST happen after each sin that is committed). These were known as the "works" which included: Separating from "unclean" people, cleansings, blood rites, etc. Also found in the law, these "tasks" were what Israel was commanded to do as a rehearsal until the One comes whose job it was to actually do them forreal to cleanse their sin.
...and once He does them, those "tasks"; those works of cleansing sin & iniquity are no longer required to be done because the Person whose tasks they ARE as high priest is currently doing them, in heaven...to continue to do so is to not have faith in Christ doing the work (faith, because we can not see Him doing them).
In the law there are:
A) The Commandments to obey to not commit sin = to REMAIN "just" in the eyes of the law = Our job
B) The Works to perform to settle sin once committed = To RESTORE one's right standing with the law = Justification =Christ's Job
The controversy is mentioned in Galatians 2:11
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when [The Jews] were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
...and being a leader, the rest of the Jews who were with Peter followed suit...
Gal 2:13
And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Paul explains his point in Galatians 2:15-16
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Again Justified means To RESTORE one's right standing with the law after they have sinned. Because the "tasks" were only rehearsals representing the work the Messiah would do in heaven, the only way to restore one's right standing with the law is to have faith in the Messiah doing the work (because we can't see Him doing them). Faith is the evidence of things not seen.
Also, notice the law requires the shedding of blood to cleanse sin (i.e. death). So by faith in Christ, we also provide that death that satisfies the payment we owe to restore us to right standing. This is why Paul says "through the law, I am dead to the law" in verses 19 and 20. His phrase doesn't mean "the law is dead to me" or that "the law is dead" as I feel some are interpreting it.
Galatians only deals with Part B, the remedy for committed sin; justification. It's not talking about Part A; obedience (i.e., avoiding sinning). This is why EVERYWHERE forgiveness of sin is mentioned the next instructions are to "sin no more", or why scripture says our patience is to "have faith" (in Christ, for justification) and "obey the commandments". When we are made right we are to walk rightly (as we are given all the gifts to do so after being saved: grace, Holy Spirit, mercy, 5-fold ministry, etc).
Romans 2:12-13
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
James 2:1-13
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons...
[...]
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Romans 2:17-23
Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Paul and James were speaking against the hypocrisy of would-be teachers of the law who were being partial to it (that's what the phrase "whole law" means; don't be partial)...just like Messiah did:
Mathew 23:23-28
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and †anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Meanwhile, in Galatians, Paul is addressing a different matter. His point was one no longer needs to perform the tasks of cleansing sin & iniquity (these tasks or "works" MUST happen after each sin that is committed). These were known as the "works" which included: Separating from "unclean" people, cleansings, blood rites, etc. Also found in the law, these "tasks" were what Israel was commanded to do as a rehearsal until the One comes whose job it was to actually do them forreal to cleanse their sin.
...and once He does them, those "tasks"; those works of cleansing sin & iniquity are no longer required to be done because the Person whose tasks they ARE as high priest is currently doing them, in heaven...to continue to do so is to not have faith in Christ doing the work (faith, because we can not see Him doing them).
In the law there are:
A) The Commandments to obey to not commit sin = to REMAIN "just" in the eyes of the law = Our job
B) The Works to perform to settle sin once committed = To RESTORE one's right standing with the law = Justification =Christ's Job
The controversy is mentioned in Galatians 2:11
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when [The Jews] were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
...and being a leader, the rest of the Jews who were with Peter followed suit...
Gal 2:13
And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Paul explains his point in Galatians 2:15-16
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Again Justified means To RESTORE one's right standing with the law after they have sinned. Because the "tasks" were only rehearsals representing the work the Messiah would do in heaven, the only way to restore one's right standing with the law is to have faith in the Messiah doing the work (because we can't see Him doing them). Faith is the evidence of things not seen.
Also, notice the law requires the shedding of blood to cleanse sin (i.e. death). So by faith in Christ, we also provide that death that satisfies the payment we owe to restore us to right standing. This is why Paul says "through the law, I am dead to the law" in verses 19 and 20. His phrase doesn't mean "the law is dead to me" or that "the law is dead" as I feel some are interpreting it.
Galatians only deals with Part B, the remedy for committed sin; justification. It's not talking about Part A; obedience (i.e., avoiding sinning). This is why EVERYWHERE forgiveness of sin is mentioned the next instructions are to "sin no more", or why scripture says our patience is to "have faith" (in Christ, for justification) and "obey the commandments". When we are made right we are to walk rightly (as we are given all the gifts to do so after being saved: grace, Holy Spirit, mercy, 5-fold ministry, etc).
Romans 2:12-13
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
It is always important to understand Scripture in context. To whom was Jesus speaking? The Jews, who were living under the Old Covenant. After His sacrificial death, we are living under a New Covenant and and are free from the law.
Romans 7:1-6, "Or do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only during that person’s lifetime? Thus a married woman is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives, but if her husband dies, she is discharged from the law concerning the husband. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she belongs to another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she belongs to another man, she is not an adulteress."
"In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."
Romans 7:1-6, "Or do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only during that person’s lifetime? Thus a married woman is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives, but if her husband dies, she is discharged from the law concerning the husband. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she belongs to another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she belongs to another man, she is not an adulteress."
"In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."
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But Jaybo you make the point about context, but don't maintain it when reading Romans 7. Agreed, The Jews were living under the Covenant at Sinai. The original context is the Jews' relationship with God. It was their marriage contract to the Living God. That's the context. Remember that the promise of the new covenant was also made to the Jews. The marriage law says that if a husband divorces his wife...and she goes and marries another...she can't then return to her original husband as such is an abomination. Filthy adultery.
The Living God divorced Israel; the first covenant was broken...and Israel took on another husband; many others as she played the harlot. Knowing the law remains in force, there was no way for Israel and the Living God to remarry each other for as long as they lived. There was no way for them to enter into a new covenant.
This is why Paul says he's speaking to those who know the law. His next point was for those who understood the marriage law. Not knowing the law causes this false assumption you're making which is that "under the new covenant, all believers are freed from God's law" when that's incorrect. Israel (The Jew) is freed from the marriage law that restricts Israel from remarrying The Living God.
Christ died and by faith the Jew who believes in Christ also dies. With both parties "dead" both are freed, satisfying the marriage law - still in force - that was keeping them bound, thus making it possible to remarry Israel under a new and better (marriage) covenant else it would've been adultery per the law.
[^Notice how the law is everpresent.]
Gentiles were never married to the Living God by covenant to need to be freed from the law of Marriage to Him. So it's not "we are living under a new covenant..." it's "they are living under a new covenant that we get to participate in" by being grafted in.
Amen.
Covenant.
Particularly, marriage covenant.
Marriage covenants are governed by the law of the state.
When marriage covenants are broken divorce typically follows per the law of the state.
Notice that the law remains regardless of the covenant.
Israel entered into a marriage covenant with The Living God governed by the law of heaven.
Israel broke their covenant and was divorced by God per the law of heaven.
Messiah made a way for Israel to marry God under a new covenant per the law of heaven.
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A covenant is not the law but an agreement between two parties governed by the law.
The Living God divorced Israel; the first covenant was broken...and Israel took on another husband; many others as she played the harlot. Knowing the law remains in force, there was no way for Israel and the Living God to remarry each other for as long as they lived. There was no way for them to enter into a new covenant.
This is why Paul says he's speaking to those who know the law. His next point was for those who understood the marriage law. Not knowing the law causes this false assumption you're making which is that "under the new covenant, all believers are freed from God's law" when that's incorrect. Israel (The Jew) is freed from the marriage law that restricts Israel from remarrying The Living God.
Christ died and by faith the Jew who believes in Christ also dies. With both parties "dead" both are freed, satisfying the marriage law - still in force - that was keeping them bound, thus making it possible to remarry Israel under a new and better (marriage) covenant else it would've been adultery per the law.
[^Notice how the law is everpresent.]
Gentiles were never married to the Living God by covenant to need to be freed from the law of Marriage to Him. So it's not "we are living under a new covenant..." it's "they are living under a new covenant that we get to participate in" by being grafted in.
Amen.
Covenant.
Particularly, marriage covenant.
Marriage covenants are governed by the law of the state.
When marriage covenants are broken divorce typically follows per the law of the state.
Notice that the law remains regardless of the covenant.
Israel entered into a marriage covenant with The Living God governed by the law of heaven.
Israel broke their covenant and was divorced by God per the law of heaven.
Messiah made a way for Israel to marry God under a new covenant per the law of heaven.
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A covenant is not the law but an agreement between two parties governed by the law.
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Legislators are fully within their right to amend their laws. But the law isn't nullified to where citizens aren't required to obey.
As a reminder, this is what I originally said which you said was inconsistent with biblical teachings.
Heb 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
The law wasn't nullified, it was changed; amended; altered. So what changed in the law? Did the commandments change? No, in fact if we go by what Christ said during His ministry the original version of them were always more stringent.
So what changed in the law? The priestly rites changed (i.e. those "works/tasks" to remedy sin once committed) because the priesthood was no longer earthly.
How did they change? Were they removed? No, they weren't removed they are still required by the law...that's why Messiah still does them now. They were changed to heavenly versions that only He could do in heaven.
None of this changes the fact that we are to be obedient and not sin.
As a reminder, this is what I originally said which you said was inconsistent with biblical teachings.
Heb 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
The law wasn't nullified, it was changed; amended; altered. So what changed in the law? Did the commandments change? No, in fact if we go by what Christ said during His ministry the original version of them were always more stringent.
So what changed in the law? The priestly rites changed (i.e. those "works/tasks" to remedy sin once committed) because the priesthood was no longer earthly.
How did they change? Were they removed? No, they weren't removed they are still required by the law...that's why Messiah still does them now. They were changed to heavenly versions that only He could do in heaven.
None of this changes the fact that we are to be obedient and not sin.
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