Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?
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Jesus was addressing people who "do not believe the One He sent."
37 And the Father who sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You have never heard His voice
nor seen His form, 38 nor does His word abide in you, because you do not believe the One He sent.
39 You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These
are the very words that testify about Me, 40 yet you refuse to come to Me to have life."
37 And the Father who sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You have never heard His voice
nor seen His form, 38 nor does His word abide in you, because you do not believe the One He sent.
39 You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These
are the very words that testify about Me, 40 yet you refuse to come to Me to have life."
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Yeah. But you failed to mention that Reformed theologians do NOT believe that humans can respond to the Gospel because of (a) the power of the Gospel and (b) the power of the Holy Spirit using the Gospel. Thus they have created their own little myth about how "the elect" are saved. And that is the key issue. TULIP either stands together or falls apart like a house of cards.
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This verse is TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT to justify the false gospel of TULIP. It is talking about "the deep things of God" (vv 9,10). But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
However, if the natural man could not understand that he is a sinner and that Christ died for his sins and rose again for his justification, then the apostles and the Church would not have been commanded to preach the Gospel to every creature (Mk 16:15,16). TULIP therefore DENIES THE POWER OF THE GOSPEL. The Gospel -- accompanied by the Holy Spirit -- is sufficient to bring sinners to the Savior. This is the key issue. A denial of Gospel truth.
For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek... Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my Gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: (Rom 1:16; 16:25,26)
And these passage do not even mention the role of the Holy Spirit in convincing and convicting sinners to believe oh the Lord Jesus Christ.
However, if the natural man could not understand that he is a sinner and that Christ died for his sins and rose again for his justification, then the apostles and the Church would not have been commanded to preach the Gospel to every creature (Mk 16:15,16). TULIP therefore DENIES THE POWER OF THE GOSPEL. The Gospel -- accompanied by the Holy Spirit -- is sufficient to bring sinners to the Savior. This is the key issue. A denial of Gospel truth.
For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek... Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my Gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: (Rom 1:16; 16:25,26)
And these passage do not even mention the role of the Holy Spirit in convincing and convicting sinners to believe oh the Lord Jesus Christ.
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The natural estate of man as depicted in Ephesians 2:1-3 is that he is dead, he is being dominated, and is doomed.
That's what makes grace so amazing. Verse 4 begins...but God...
Seeing us in this estate and helpless to remove ourselves from it, God mercifully does for us what we cannot do for ourselves.
It's an incredible thought.
That's what makes grace so amazing. Verse 4 begins...but God...
Seeing us in this estate and helpless to remove ourselves from it, God mercifully does for us what we cannot do for ourselves.
It's an incredible thought.
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People are so stupid using UNREGENERATE man when the Thief on the Cross was as unsaved, unregenerated, sinful as they come and he still was able to recognize Yeshua.
He never heard the Gospel nor had any experience dealing with Christ and still understood he deserved his punishment and Yeshua did not.
The STUPID is real in this Thread!
He never heard the Gospel nor had any experience dealing with Christ and still understood he deserved his punishment and Yeshua did not.
The STUPID is real in this Thread!
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Anyone could make similar assumptions along the opposite vein.
For example: the Holy Spirit convicted and quickened the thief on the cross.
No Scripture verse for it, just like there are no Scripture verses attesting to the fact that the thief
never heard the gospel, had no experience dealing with Christ, and was able to recognize Jesus.
People like to claim the thief was not baptized also, but that is simply another baseless assumption.
For example: the Holy Spirit convicted and quickened the thief on the cross.
No Scripture verse for it, just like there are no Scripture verses attesting to the fact that the thief
never heard the gospel, had no experience dealing with Christ, and was able to recognize Jesus.
People like to claim the thief was not baptized also, but that is simply another baseless assumption.
But the beauty is we have the BIBLE to explain what happened. Nothing about the Holy Spirit or anything a Calvinist can claim.
But what the Bible does clearly state is he was a criminal who was getting what he deserved and CHOSE to speak up against his friend thief.
So NO INTERVENTION FROM GOD, NO NOTHING CALVINISM CAN CLAIM.
So it's truly OBVIOUS here's a degenerate human being on his way to HELL who CHOSE out of his FREE WILL to stand up for Jesus, a Person he had no idea and clue about.
His EXAMPLE is clear that Calvinism is an outright LIE created by a mentally ill degenerate.
But what the Bible does clearly state is he was a criminal who was getting what he deserved and CHOSE to speak up against his friend thief.
So NO INTERVENTION FROM GOD, NO NOTHING CALVINISM CAN CLAIM.
So it's truly OBVIOUS here's a degenerate human being on his way to HELL who CHOSE out of his FREE WILL to stand up for Jesus, a Person he had no idea and clue about.
His EXAMPLE is clear that Calvinism is an outright LIE created by a mentally ill degenerate.
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