Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

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brightfame52

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John146 said:
Who are "all men" referring to? The "all men" are different from those that believe.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
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The Sheep.
 
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Snacks said:
I’ll stick with MLK Jr. who said above all else he wanted to be remembered as following the One (Jesus Christ) who loved His enemies so much He died for them.
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Like I said, those who never believe indicates Jesus didnt love them nor die for them. Believing on and following Jesus Christ is the fruit of His death.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
And what makes anyone think that God EXCLUDES anyone, when Christ said this plainly: And as
Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up... And I, if
I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.
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John 12:31-32
 
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brightfame52 said:
Like I said, those who never believe indicates Jesus didnt love them nor die for them. Believing on and following Jesus Christ is the fruit of His death.
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What you say is wrong.

Heretically wrong.
 
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brightfame52 said:
You mean more of Gods Truth you scoffing and calling a mans name.
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No. This is God's truth so PAY CLOSE ATTENTION:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

One of the strangest things we see is that when you go to John Calvin's commentary on these verses (Bible Hub), he confirms that this is the world of humanity -- all human beings. Then he contradicts himself in his Institutes.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
No. This is God's truth so PAY CLOSE ATTENTION:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
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John 3:16
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Nehemiah6 said:
No. This is God's truth so PAY CLOSE ATTENTION:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

One of the strangest things we see is that when you go to John Calvin's commentary on these verses (Bible Hub), he confirms that this is the world of humanity -- all human beings. Then he contradicts himself in his Institutes.
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That in the red concerns only the elect or sheep
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
You are either (a) stupid, (b) willfully blind, or (c) plain crazy. So there is no need to waste time on your foolish posts.
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Lol You can call me all the names you like, wont change the fact that verse applies only to Gods Elect/Sheep world, and none else
 
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John146 said:
And yet, the verse states that Jesus is the Saviour of all men. All man has to do is believe.
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Thats the Sheep ! And all the Sheep shall believe, if a person never believes in Jesus, then its obvious Jesus didnt die for them, and couldn't have possibly been their Saviour. Hes a Saviour unto them He died and rose again for and saved Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins
 
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