Are We Approaching "that day", "the last day"?

[Cameron143]

Probably isn't so simple. Nowadays, simply having a different perspective and opinion (i.e., Christian) may be viewed as a form of violence, intolerance, or a hate crime. People get ostracized from every sector of society for being labeled de facto "domestic terrorists", in the kangaroo court of public opinion, due to simply existing. Many examples of this. Christians are generally tolerated, for now, as long as they keep quiet and stay out of the way. When, yes when, us Christians are a sufficient minority, I have no doubt they'll swoop in to stamp out those who won't renounce their faith.

I'll grant you that life is complicated and there are times when it is more or less "safe" to be Christian and I should have taken your comments in the context of the post.
If things get as bad as you contend 2 things remain sure:

1. God's grace will remain sufficient, and 2. The kingdom of God will prosper, as is always the result of persecution.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

I'll grant you that life is complicated and there are times when it is more or less "safe" to be Christian and I should have taken your comments in the context of the post.
If things get as bad as you contend 2 things remain sure:

1. God's grace will remain sufficient, and 2. The kingdom of God will prosper, as is always the result of persecution.

GOD'S Grace is sufficient to stop causing new sins.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

After Jesus prophesies the destruction of the temple in 70 AD in Matt. 24:1-35, Mark 13:1-31 & Luke 21:5-33; all 3 gospels record Jesus then turning his attention to "that day". In context it surely is referring to "the last day" of the resurrection in John 6:39, 40, 44, 54 which is also that day of judgment in John 12:48. In the word for word translations, the words or phrases are identical.

70 Ad is not in the Bible. You're guessing. Or what the Bible calls privately interpreting. 70 AD didn't come into Jesus' speech in any of those passages.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

I'll grant you that life is complicated and there are times when it is more or less "safe" to be Christian and I should have taken your comments in the context of the post.
If things get as bad as you contend 2 things remain sure:

1. God's grace will remain sufficient, and 2. The kingdom of God will prosper, as is always the result of persecution.

Disagree that the Kingdom of God always prospers as a result of persecution. The Kingdom of God always prospers as a result of EVANGELISM.

How did Christianity prosper? There were only 12 Apostles. When Christianity began, Hinduism was the world's largest religion. Even Judaism had millions more adherents than Christianity. Today, it has around 20 MN. But the Apostles won 100s of thousands for Christ by travelling all over the world and Evangelizing, Saint Thomas in my own country India, St. Matthew in Africa, one St. James in Jerusalem, another St. James in Spain, etc. Today, there are 2.5 BN Christians. Yes, of course the Apostles were Martyred too, but it was their Evangelistic Work - courageous as to defy persecution - that caused Christianity to grow imo. So it's not the persecution per se. It's the Evangelism unto death even despite persecution.

Thoughts? Do you disagree?

What we need are Soul-Winners who each try to win a few Souls to Christ. If 1000s of us win 100s to Christ, we can do what the Apostles did. We should especially preach to Non-Christians. One of the reasons I respect Pastor Reinhard Bonnke (may he rest in Peace) and Daniel Kolenda of CFAN, as they've won Millions to Christ in Africa.

The End will not come before the Billion Soul Harvest imo. That is planned for by 2033. Let's see if it does, but imo it won't.

God Bless.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

70 Ad is not in the Bible. You're guessing. Or what the Bible calls privately interpreting. 70 AD didn't come into Jesus' speech in any of those passages.

Did Jerusalem not fall in 70 A.D. so The Son Of Man didn't Come in the clouds?

Luke 21:20 KJV — And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

[25] And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

[27] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

[32-33] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

[Luke 19:44 KJV] And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

"CFAN: 85,014,023
Documented decisions for Christ [mostly in Africa over 40 years]"

https://cfan.org.uk/ Imagine if we had 10 Ministries like this in Christendom today, operating in mostly non-Christian areas (like e.g. China and India). That's the need of the hour imo, and the End will not come unless Christians begin to do that first.

 

[Cameron143]

GOD'S Grace is sufficient to stop causing new sins.

Thanks for sharing

 

[Cameron143]

Disagree that the Kingdom of God always prospers as a result of persecution. The Kingdom of God always prospers as a result of EVANGELISM.

How did Christianity prosper? There were only 12 Apostles. When Christianity began, Hinduism was the world's largest religion. Even Judaism had millions more adherents than Christianity. Today, it has around 20 MN. But the Apostles won 100s of thousands for Christ by travelling all over the world and Evangelizing, Saint Thomas in my own country India, St. Matthew in Africa, one St. James in Jerusalem, another St. James in Spain, etc. Today, there are 2.5 BN Christians. Yes, of course the Apostles were Martyred too, but it was their Evangelistic Work - courageous as to defy persecution - that caused Christianity to grow imo. So it's not the persecution per se. It's the Evangelism unto death even despite persecution.

Thoughts? Do you disagree?

What we need are Soul-Winners who each try to win a few Souls to Christ. If 1000s of us win 100s to Christ, we can do what the Apostles did. We should especially preach to Non-Christians. One of the reasons I respect Pastor Reinhard Bonnke (may he rest in Peace) and Daniel Kolenda of CFAN, as they've won Millions to Christ in Africa.

The End will not come before the Billion Soul Harvest imo. That is planned for by 2033. Let's see if it does, but imo it won't.

God Bless.

Except a kernel...fall to the ground and die it will not produce fruit.

The church always prospers under persecution. Perhaps our ideas of prospers differs.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Except a kernel...fall to the ground and die it will not produce fruit.

The church always prospers under persecution. Perhaps our ideas of prospers differs.

Ok. Can you kindly clarify as to what you mean by prospers? Do you mean becomes more holy?

 

[Cameron143]

Ok. Can you kindly clarify as to what you mean by prospers? Do you mean becomes more holy?

That's one aspect. It also is purged and proliferated.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Ok, fair enough. But what I've seen, on the other hand, is also that some Christians are afraid to Evangelize/Preach in areas where Non-Christians are strong, and there is persecution, like in Communist, Islamist, and also in Uttar Pradesh that I mentioned from Hindutva Fundamentalists. So I don't think it is universally true that the Church proliferates in the midst of persecution. It is good to Evangelize at least in areas where there is no persecution first. Then, once we can, and according to the Lord's Will for us, and if we are strong enough to defy persecution, like the Apostles, even where there is persecution.

 

[Cameron143]

Ok, fair enough. But what I've seen, on the other hand, is also that some Christians are afraid to Evangelize/Preach in areas where Non-Christians are strong, and there is persecution, like in Communist, Islamist, and also in Uttar Pradesh that I mentioned from Hindutva Fundamentalists. So I don't think it is universally the Church proliferates in the midst of persecution. It is good to Evangelize at least in areas where there is no persecution first. Then, once we can, and according to the Lord's Will for us, and if we are strong enough to defy persecution, like the Apostles, even where there is persecution.

I'm not advocating intentionally putting oneself in harm's way or stirring up unnecessarily provocation. But the persecution of the early church was in great part responsible for the diaspora of the early church. And probably large migrations of humanity throughout history probably have some relation to this as well.

 

[notonmywatch]

I placed this in Bible Discussion rather than the prophecy forum because that forum seems to be mainly the modernist dispensationalists, which are different from historic premillenialists.

Is there a prophecy forum here? If there is, then where can it be found?

 

[notonmywatch]

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Romans 13:12
The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Romans 13:13
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Seeing how this was written almost 2000 years ago, how much nearer is our salvation now?

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Romans 13:12
The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Romans 13:13
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Seeing how this was written almost 2000 years ago, how much nearer is our salvation now?

umm, The Day Of The LORD for Jews happened in 70 A.D. ...it's sad that you think GOD Wrote "nearer than when we believed" ...to mean 2,000 years.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Ethan1942 said:
After Jesus prophesies the destruction of the temple in 70 AD in Matt. 24:1-35, Mark 13:1-31 & Luke 21:5-33

70 Ad is not in the Bible. You're guessing. Or what the Bible calls privately interpreting. 70 AD didn't come into Jesus' speech in any of those passages.

The events surrounding 70ad are spoken of only in Lk21:12-24a [besides Lk21:6/Mt24:2/Mk13:2--parallel with both Jesus' words Lk19:41-43,44 and Matt22:7]... where Lk21:12 starts out with "But BEFORE ALL THESE things..." (i.e. BEFORE ALL the beginning of birth pangs just having been spoken of in vv.8-11); and where v.24 concludes with, "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations, and Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN DOWN of the Gentiles UNTIL the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled" [not the same thing as "the FULNESS of the Gentiles be come in [G1525]," btw]

The word "BEFORE" (v.12) is informing of the very important SEQUENCE ISSUES within the Olivet Discourse...




[also, v.32's "until ALL be fulfilled / shall have taken place" necessarily must INCLUDE those items which v.24 had just referred to, including its "UNTIL"... which "TRODDEN DOWN" thing doesn't conclude until Christ's Second Coming to the earth in Rev19, yet future]




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As to the OP question, the phrase "THE LAST DAY" doesn't refer merely to "a singular 24-hr day," but to a very lengthy time-period IN WHICH *much* will transpire (it corresponds also to Hosea 6:2's "IN the THIRD DAY"--a time-period; it corresponds also to Ex31:13,17's "It [the seventh day / sabbath] is A SIGN between Me and the children of Israel for ever" [see also Heb4:9 "sabbatismos"])

 

[RizenPhoenix]

Are we approaching the last days spoken of in 2 Timothy3:1-5
1. If God doesn't do something we will all die from Climate Change (affects everything)
2. If God doesn't do something soon we will die from GMO or food poisoning (processed foods)
3. If God doesn't do something we will not be able to breath soon (Allergies, upper respiratory problems, pollution)
4. If God doesn't do something there will be no animals left on the earth (poaching and environment destruction of habitats)
5. If God doesn't do something life on the earth will cease. Man with man cannot create children.
6. The human body is diseased and life spans are shortening due to diabetes, high blood, etc.
7. God will have to come soon because our water supply is drying up due to climate change.
Yes the End is Near in my perspective.

 

[Cameron143]

A couple of questions to ask concerning the end:

When did the glory of the Lord cover the earth as the waters cover the sea?

Where is this number that John saw that no man can number?

When did the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ?

If God spent 4 to 11 thousand years to usher in the new covenant and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, why would He spend so much time in preparation only to end it so quickly comparatively? Wouldn't that be like writing the foreword to a book several times longer than the body of material?

There are many more questions worth asking but perhaps these can serve as a start.

 

[sondra333]

Knowing almost if not ever (oh HI ALL! pray your blessed and you joy is over flowing HELLO!) generation before us believed they were the last would make one really wonder if not for the fact we are the only one that has see Israel become a nation in a day. So is Israel blooming? Yes. I know about the "falling away". But we forget that word was once written in the bible as "departure". If we read before that verse we could say we depart here. But it can also mean fallen away.

I can go back to 2015 and up tell you just in 2015 over a million were saved in one day. Millions after that in another year. Where sin is there is much grace. Yes I see some falling down but I see more reaching down helping them get backup. Just ask the Father to open your eyes to see what He sees. Its shocking what Hes' doing that we are not reading about. Great wonders all over the world. Yet oddly not anywhere on any forum I am on. We are like our Father that calls things that be not as though they were.

Would make one ask.. ok what are we doing then

I believe what we're doing is we mishandled Satan or the enemy for it says that we are to love thine enemy and pray for those that persecute us and yet the greatest enemy of all we say to the other.... not this one that's just for man when the Lord died for the WORLD. and what of overcoming evil with good howbeit that God would ask His children something He could not do? God forbid! I have spoken of how it's possible in His timing and His glory that He will make ALL things new and yet some think me to be crazy and others get angry thinking that's not possible even though All have fallen short...I guess pride is difficult to be compared to Satan but really what form should sins take? Certainly not God's but now being a new creature in Christ should we not remember the form we did have before Him and in all humility at the very least not judge but give which He gave which was forgiveness,mercy,grace, comfort and yes righteousness which I believe is love unto death no longer partakers of sin but humble enough to love those even if they still do unto death for what is a living sacrifice? I hope you understand the good God we serve and I love Him for He truly deserves ALL glory. Ty for your time!

 

[oyster67]

Are We Approaching "that day", "the last day"?

That's the easiest one I have seen in a while.

YES.