Separation of Church and State: Is it Biblical?

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

So, in recent times, we've heard an idea called "separation of Church and State". Firstly, this means different things to different people. For e.g. after the Bolshevik Communists took over Russia (which was formerly a Christian Country), they decreed a Separation of Church and State: "The Decree on Separation of Church from State and School from Church (Russian: Декрет об отделении церкви от государства и школы от церкви) is a legal act adopted by the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic on January 20 (February 2), 1918 came into force on January 23 (February 5) of the same year, on the day of official publication.[1][2] It installed the secular nature of the state power, proclaimed the freedom of conscience and religion; religious organizations were deprived of any property rights and the rights of a legal entity. It laid the foundation for the deployment of atheistic propaganda and atheistic education.[3]"

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_on_Separation_of_Church_and_State

So this was in the Communist Revolution. It is an absolute travesty that these things are not known and popularized in the West.

"The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward.[3][4] The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism", with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers.[6][7] According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[8][9]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

So, even according to Wikipedia, some 12 to 20 Million CHRISTIANS died under the Communist USSR. Yet who speaks of this today? And so, the point here is, "Separation of Church and State" is not necessarily so benign as most western Christians think it is. It's a de-Christianizing tactic of anti-Christians. It's only been possible because Christendom is so tragically divided and fragmented.

In the West, like in America, "separation of the Church and State" usually means the government should not persecute Christians, which is fine. Christians too should never persecute anyone, either other Christians, or other religions, or even atheists. However, why are we so weak today? Most of the Christian Countries are being rapidly de-Christianized. My opinion is Separation of Church and State plays a part.

So let's study the issue: was there separation of Church (or Synagogue if you will) and State in Israel? Did Priests and Princes/Kings work separately? No! This is the advantage of having only One Church, or one Pastoral/Priestly Hierarchy - not 100+denominations. Some verses:

1 Samuel 16:1, 11-13: Kings were appointed by Priests - King David by the Pastor, Priest and Prophet Samuel:

"1Now the LORD said to Samuel, “How long are you going to mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and go. I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem, for I have selected from his sons a king for Myself.” ...

11So he asked Jesse, "Are these all the sons you have?" "There is still the youngest," Jesse answered, "but he is tending the sheep." Samuel said, "Send for him; we will not sit down until he arrives."12So he sent and had him brought in. He was ruddy, with a fine appearance and handsome features. Then the LORD said, "Rise and anoint him; he is the one."13So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

Now, in medieval times, most European Countries were Christian Kingdoms. Kings and Queens reigned in the Name of Jesus and the Holy Trinity. Even today, the Church of England is officially not separated from the State. During Queen Elizabeth's funeral, that was evident.

But my questions is, (1) Is Church and State Separation or Unison better and more Biblical? (2) Does lack of Christian Unity play a part - if the Christian Churches re-united again, could we go back to the Biblical Model in Israel? (3) Does Separation of Church and State lead in time to the State becomning practically Atheistic or Agnostic, as has arguably happened in much of the West? Questions to consider.

Thoughts? God Bless.

 

[Gojira]

So, in recent times, we've heard an idea called "separation of Church and State". Firstly, this means different things to different people. For e.g. after the Bolshevik Communists took over Russia (which was formerly a Christian Country), they decreed a Separation of Church and State: "The Decree on Separation of Church from State and School from Church (Russian: Декрет об отделении церкви от государства и школы от церкви) is a legal act adopted by the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic on January 20 (February 2), 1918 came into force on January 23 (February 5) of the same year, on the day of official publication.[1][2] It installed the secular nature of the state power, proclaimed the freedom of conscience and religion; religious organizations were deprived of any property rights and the rights of a legal entity. It laid the foundation for the deployment of atheistic propaganda and atheistic education.[3]"

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_on_Separation_of_Church_and_State

So this was in the Communist Revolution. It is an absolute travesty that these things are not known and popularized in the West.

"The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward.[3][4] The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism", with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers.[6][7] According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[8][9]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

So, even according to Wikipedia, some 12 to 20 Million CHRISTIANS died under the Communist USSR. Yet who speaks of this today? And so, the point here is, "Separation of Church and State" is not necessarily so benign as most western Christians think it is. It's a de-Christianizing tactic of anti-Christians. It's only been possible because Christendom is so tragically divided and fragmented.

In the West, like in America, "separation of the Church and State" usually means the government should not persecute Christians, which is fine. Christians too should never persecute anyone, either other Christians, or other religions, or even atheists. However, why are we so weak today? Most of the Christian Countries are being rapidly de-Christianized. My opinion is Separation of Church and State plays a part.

So let's study the issue: was there separation of Church (or Synagogue if you will) and State in Israel? Did Priests and Princes/Kings work separately? No! This is the advantage of having only One Church, or one Pastoral/Priestly Hierarchy - not 100+denominations. Some verses:

1 Samuel 16:1, 11-13: Kings were appointed by Priests - King David by the Pastor, Priest and Prophet Samuel:

"1Now the LORD said to Samuel, “How long are you going to mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and go. I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem, for I have selected from his sons a king for Myself.” ...

11So he asked Jesse, "Are these all the sons you have?" "There is still the youngest," Jesse answered, "but he is tending the sheep." Samuel said, "Send for him; we will not sit down until he arrives."12So he sent and had him brought in. He was ruddy, with a fine appearance and handsome features. Then the LORD said, "Rise and anoint him; he is the one."13So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

Now, in medieval times, most European Countries were Christian Kingdoms. Kings and Queens reigned in the Name of Jesus and the Holy Trinity. Even today, the Church of England is officially not separated from the State. During Queen Elizabeth's funeral, that was evident.

But my questions is, (1) Is Church and State Separation or Unison better and more Biblical? (2) Does lack of Christian Unity play a part - if the Christian Churches re-united again, could we go back to the Biblical Model in Israel? (3) Does Separation of Church and State lead in time to the State becomning practically Atheistic or Agnostic, as has arguably happened in much of the West? Questions to consider.

Thoughts? God Bless.

Yes... I have thoughts.

The founders of the US had a much different notion of that separation than how the nation seems to understand this today. Did you know that Thomas Jefferson used public funds to print Bibles for the American Indian tribes? Did you know that they wanted a generic (non-sectarian) form of Christianity (or at least the Bible) taught in public schools?

"Separation of church and state" is not even in the US constitution. It was in a letter Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Convention.

What they wanted was a government that was not married to any Christian denomination. They also did not want Christian thought excluded from public affairs. In fact, these men who were largely evangelicals (not "Deists" as our opponents would have you believe) believed that a nation that embraced Christianity -- or at least Biblical ideas -- was a nation that would remain free, as the population would be able to police itself, and would have a commonly understood code of morality.

I recommend "Original Intent" by David Barton. Excellent book. Goes into tremendous detail about how the interpretation of our first amendment's been perverted.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Agreed. America's constitutional tradition contains many references to God, the Bible, Jesus Christ, the year of Our Lord, etc.

But even beyond that, imo, in any country where Conservative Christians are 50% or more of the population, voters should vote on some kind of amendment like: "We recognize Jesus Christ as the King of Kings and the King of this Nation".

In Poland recently, in a ceremony attended by the President, the bishops of that country declared this:

https://www.christiantoday.com/arti...y-been-declared-the-king-of-poland/101673.htm

"Jesus has been declared King of Poland in a ceremony attended by the country's president Andrzej Duda.
The ceremony was held at the Church of Divine Mercy in Krakow on Saturday and the liturgy was repeated in churches across the country the following day.

According to the Conference of Polish Bishops, it was timed to coincide with the end of the Catholic Church's Jubilee Year of Mercy and 1050th anniversary of Polish Christianity.
The ceremony included the prayer: "In our hearts, rule us, Christ! In our families, rule us, Christ! ... In our schools and universities, rule us, Christ! ... Through the Polish nation, rule us, Christ! ... We pledge to defend your holy worship and preach Thy royal glory, Christ our King, we promise!"
It continued: "We entrust the Polish people and Polish leaders to you. Make them exercise their power fairly and in accordance with your laws. ... rule us, Christ! Reign in our homeland and reign in every nation – for the greater glory of the Most Holy Trinity and the salvation of mankind."

 

[oyster67]

So, in recent times, we've heard an idea called "separation of Church and State".

2 Corinthians 6:
14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

1 Peter 2:
6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. 11Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Rev 19:16 "On his robe and on his thigh He has a Name written, "King of kings and Lord of lords."

In a Christian Country like Britain, which has human kings and lords, the claim of Supreme Authority in this title is evident. There may be many kings or lords among men, but One Alone, Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Savior, is King of kings and Lord of lords. It also shows that kings and lords, or presidents and prime ministers if you prefer, are bound to acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord and King, even publicly and officially. The State cannot be atheistic or agnostic, otherwise atheism and agnosticism will spread and influence large segments of the populace, as in fact has happened in many Christian Countries.

It was good to see, during Queen Elizabeth's recent funeral, with many Christians there openly declaring and praising the Queen's faith "in Jesus Christ her Savior, which inspired Her Majesty to serve so well", some attempt to return to Christian Roots.

The Popes of Rome too, in their trips to some European Countries, often urge these countries to renounce Atheism and Agnosticism and return Europe to its Christian Roots along with recognizing Christianity's Contributions to that Continent.

God Bless.

 

[Gojira]

In the US, we need another great awakening period. I implore everyone here to pray for this.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But my questions is, (1) Is Church and State Separation or Unison better and more Biblical?

The Lord Jesus Christ said that people are to render to Caesar (the state) what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.

As long as Israel was a theocracy -- with God Himself as King and Ruler -- God told the nation of Israel what to do and what not to do. But once they clamored for a human king, that changed everything and led to the captivities of both the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah.

Much later the church of Rome began to dominate Europe in the West and the Eastern Orthodox Church dominated in the East. But that did not necessarily bode well for genuine Christians.

When the United States was established there was wisdom in saying that the State must not establish any religion. But by the 20th century the religion of the State was Liberalism/Progressivism and by the 21st century it has become outright Communism. So the State does have a religion which persecutes Christianity, and Communism/Fascism is now the State religion throughout the Western world. Freedom and democracy are things of the past. Without free and fair elections there can be no true democracy or liberty.

 

[gb9]

our constitution was made for a only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate to any other- John Adams.

 

[Nehemiah6]

our constitution was made for a only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate to any other- John Adams.

The Founding Fathers never dreamt that a criminal syndicate would hijack the government of the United States. The Constitution has been abolished and the rule of law does not exist any more. So now the USA must face divine wrath and judgment, especially since it has become a modern Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[Gojira]

The Lord Jesus Christ said that people are to render to Caesar (the state) what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.

As long as Israel was a theocracy -- with God Himself as King and Ruler -- God told the nation of Israel what to do and what not to do. But once they clamored for a human king, that changed everything and led to the captivities of both the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah.

Much later the church of Rome began to dominate Europe in the West and the Eastern Orthodox Church dominated in the East. But that did not necessarily bode well for genuine Christians.

When the United States was established there was wisdom in saying that the State must not establish any religion. But by the 20th century the religion of the State was Liberalism/Progressivism and by the 21st century it has become outright Communism. So the State does have a religion which persecutes Christianity, and Communism/Fascism is now the State religion throughout the Western world. Freedom and democracy are things of the past. Without free and fair elections there can be no true democracy or liberty.

Yeah... that "wall" the Left is so fond of only seems to block in one direction. But, don't say that to a Leftist. They'll just mock your complaints. After all, mockery's the only argument they have.

 

[Magenta]

Did you know that Thomas Jefferson used public funds to print Bibles for the
American Indian tribes? Did you know that they wanted a generic (non-sectarian)
form of Christianity (or at least the Bible) taught in public schools?

Are you referring to the Jefferson Bible?

Jefferson never referred to his work as a Bible, and the full title of this 1804 version was The
Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, being Extracted from the Account of His Life and Doctrines
Given by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; Being an Abridgement of the New Testament for the
Use of the Indians, Unembarrased [uncomplicated] with Matters of Fact or Faith beyond the
Level of their Comprehensions. It was completed in 1820 by cutting and pasting with a razor
and glue numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus.
Jefferson's condensed composition excludes all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the
supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most
other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine. He believed what remained was
"the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man." source

 

[Gojira]

Are you referring to the Jefferson Bible?

Jefferson never referred to his work as a Bible, and the full title of this 1804 version was The
Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, being Extracted from the Account of His Life and Doctrines
Given by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; Being an Abridgement of the New Testament for the
Use of the Indians, Unembarrased [uncomplicated] with Matters of Fact or Faith beyond the
Level of their Comprehensions. It was completed in 1820 by cutting and pasting with a razor
and glue numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus.
Jefferson's condensed composition excludes all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the
supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most
other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine. source

I do not know which version he had printed and distributed. And, it doesn't really matter as it doesn't affect my point.

The point was that the original intent of the first amendment is far different from its current use and interpretation.

 

[Gojira]

The Founding Fathers never dreamt that a criminal syndicate would hijack the government of the United States. The Constitution has been abolished and the rule of law does not exist any more. So now the USA must face divine wrath and judgment, especially since it has become a modern Sodom and Gomorrah.

Hmm... gangs of homosexual rapists are not roving the streets. There are more than a handful of believers in the nation, and God would have spared that city if there were only as many as a few dozen, never mind Lot and his family.

However, I do believe there could come a point when God removes His favor entirely from us, and we'll be open to invasion. Hence the need to pray... pray and pray some more... pray for a great awakening within the church so that we'll be usable tools and weapons in God's hands, and maybe the nation could turn around.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

In the US, we need another great awakening period. I implore everyone here to pray for this.

Agreed. Prayers for that.

The Lord Jesus Christ said that people are to render to Caesar (the state) what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.

True. And what does Caesar owe God or Christ? Caesar owes to Christ, in a Christian majority country, the recognition that Christ is King of kings, just like we recognize Caesar, or the state, and pay taxes to it etc, as God asks us to. All authority comes from God. The State should recognize that, otherwise it will legislate contrary to His Will. It's very good the American Founders recognized all rights were God-Given, and did not come from the State, but it could be more explicitly stated today for e.g. that the State has the duty to protect Unborn Human Life, which is a God-Given Natural Right.

As long as Israel was a theocracy -- with God Himself as King and Ruler -- God told the nation of Israel what to do and what not to do. But once they clamored for a human king, that changed everything and led to the captivities of both the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah.

yes.

When the United States was established there was wisdom in saying that the State must not establish any religion. But by the 20th century the religion of the State was Liberalism/Progressivism and by the 21st century it has become outright Communism. So the State does have a religion which persecutes Christianity, and Communism/Fascism is now the State religion throughout the Western world. Freedom and democracy are things of the past. Without free and fair elections there can be no true democracy or liberty.

Yes, Religious Freedom likewise is a Natural Right. No doubt Christians in Europe, both Catholics and Protestants, made mistakes on that, and so when European settlers landed in America, they corrected that, and that was good. About granting or recognizing religious freedom for all, we all agree, I think. But the question is, should the State in addition recognize no religion, or be Agnostic? The State is nothing other than a collection of people. If we say the State can or even should be irreligious, the logical conclusion people will draw is that even individuals should be irreligious, or even that morality has nothing to do with God's revealed Truths, which is contrary to what Pres. John Adams said, as was quoted above. If the State should be Agnostic or Atheistic, then individuals should be. That's the logical conclusion people will draw. If on the other hand every one is called by God to be Christian, then likewise the State too should be Christian.

I think, as Gojira said, it's possible to be both (Biblically/generically) Christian as well as grant religious freedom to all.

God Bless.

 

[Gojira]

I think, as Gojira said, it's possible to be both (Biblically/generically) Christian as well as grant religious freedom to all.

That was the plan, as best I understand it, from my reading to date. They wouldn't arrest a Buddhist, for example, but they felt that a general acceptance of Christianity was essential to the survival of the nation. And, they were right.

 

[wattie]

So, in recent times, we've heard an idea called "separation of Church and State". Firstly, this means different things to different people. For e.g. after the Bolshevik Communists took over Russia (which was formerly a Christian Country), they decreed a Separation of Church and State: "The Decree on Separation of Church from State and School from Church (Russian: Декрет об отделении церкви от государства и школы от церкви) is a legal act adopted by the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic on January 20 (February 2), 1918 came into force on January 23 (February 5) of the same year, on the day of official publication.[1][2] It installed the secular nature of the state power, proclaimed the freedom of conscience and religion; religious organizations were deprived of any property rights and the rights of a legal entity. It laid the foundation for the deployment of atheistic propaganda and atheistic education.[3]"

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_on_Separation_of_Church_and_State

So this was in the Communist Revolution. It is an absolute travesty that these things are not known and popularized in the West.

"The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward.[3][4] The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism", with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers.[6][7] According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[8][9]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

So, even according to Wikipedia, some 12 to 20 Million CHRISTIANS died under the Communist USSR. Yet who speaks of this today? And so, the point here is, "Separation of Church and State" is not necessarily so benign as most western Christians think it is. It's a de-Christianizing tactic of anti-Christians. It's only been possible because Christendom is so tragically divided and fragmented.

In the West, like in America, "separation of the Church and State" usually means the government should not persecute Christians, which is fine. Christians too should never persecute anyone, either other Christians, or other religions, or even atheists. However, why are we so weak today? Most of the Christian Countries are being rapidly de-Christianized. My opinion is Separation of Church and State plays a part.

So let's study the issue: was there separation of Church (or Synagogue if you will) and State in Israel? Did Priests and Princes/Kings work separately? No! This is the advantage of having only One Church, or one Pastoral/Priestly Hierarchy - not 100+denominations. Some verses:

1 Samuel 16:1, 11-13: Kings were appointed by Priests - King David by the Pastor, Priest and Prophet Samuel:

"1Now the LORD said to Samuel, “How long are you going to mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and go. I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem, for I have selected from his sons a king for Myself.” ...

11So he asked Jesse, "Are these all the sons you have?" "There is still the youngest," Jesse answered, "but he is tending the sheep." Samuel said, "Send for him; we will not sit down until he arrives."12So he sent and had him brought in. He was ruddy, with a fine appearance and handsome features. Then the LORD said, "Rise and anoint him; he is the one."13So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

Now, in medieval times, most European Countries were Christian Kingdoms. Kings and Queens reigned in the Name of Jesus and the Holy Trinity. Even today, the Church of England is officially not separated from the State. During Queen Elizabeth's funeral, that was evident.

But my questions is, (1) Is Church and State Separation or Unison better and more Biblical? (2) Does lack of Christian Unity play a part - if the Christian Churches re-united again, could we go back to the Biblical Model in Israel? (3) Does Separation of Church and State lead in time to the State becomning practically Atheistic or Agnostic, as has arguably happened in much of the West? Questions to consider.

Thoughts? God Bless.

Most surely local churches should operate independently of government!

'The church' is the unit of the local church that is the saved, baptised local assembly down the road.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

That was the plan, as best I understand it, from my reading to date. They wouldn't arrest a Buddhist, for example, but they felt that a general acceptance of Christianity was essential to the survival of the nation. And, they were right.

I would say they've been proved right by what has happened recently. Thankfully, it's not too late yet for America, and hopefully things change in 2024. But the situation is dire.

Also, if I recall correctly, that statement of Pres. John Adams mentioned above was in response to the anti-Christian French Revolution, which was agnostic. I wonder, if the American Founding Fathers had seen the Atheistic Communist Revolution, which as mentioned was far worse, and led to some 20 MN Christian victims, what further steps they would have taken.

But even greater imo is the ongoing Abortion Holocaust. We have millions of unborn children being killed every year. Atheism/Agnosticism/Communism/Leftism is unable to prevent it and even complicit in causing it to occur. A return to State Christianity is necessary and the only way to safeguard the future and ensure "Never Again" for this Abortion Holocaust.

God Bless.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Oh my God. The numbers for Abortion (worldwide) are even worse than I thought. It's 40-50 MN children every year. Probably since the 1970s, when abortion was legalized, some 2 BN children would have been killed. How tragic. Worse than all wars of all time. This is why Atheism and Agnosticism does not work in Government and why Morality is inseparable from Faith.

"According to WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions." https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

 

[Magenta]

I do not know which version he had printed and distributed. And, it doesn't really matter as it doesn't affect my point.

I think it does (on both counts) given Jefferson's preference.

 

[JaumeJ]

The only possible union of "state" and the Body of Christ, Yeshua, would be the Kingdom, nothing less.