Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

[studentoftheword]

It's a bit more nuanced that that

Romans 10
9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

It is a lot more that just believing in your heart -------anyone can say they believe in their Heart -----believing here is much more than just saying you believe ------

First off you need to confess or declare with your mouth ----this is confessing or speaking out your Faith -----Faith requires action and by speaking your releasing your faith -------also I think the AMPC Bible gives you a better understanding of what belief is here ------

AMPC
Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Anyone can believe ---even the demons believe that Jesus is lord ------anyone can say they believe but not Trust In or rely on Jesus ------and many read the Scriptures and say they believe some of the scriptures but not others ------so relying a half truth is not relying on the whole truth -------

So to be saved is confessing with your mouth out loud ----and adhering to ---trusting in and relying on the truth ------that Jesus is Lord and that He was raised from the dead -------

 

[Runningman]

It is a lot more that just believing in your heart -------anyone can say they believe in their Heart -----believing here is much more than just saying you believe ------

First off you need to confess or declare with your mouth ----this is confessing or speaking out your Faith -----Faith requires action and by speaking your releasing your faith -------also I think the AMPC Bible gives you a better understanding of what belief is here ------

AMPC
Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Anyone can believe ---even the demons believe that Jesus is lord ------anyone can say they believe but not Trust In or rely on Jesus ------and many read the Scriptures and say they believe some of the scriptures but not others ------so relying a half truth is not relying on the whole truth -------

So to be saved is confessing with your mouth out loud ----and adhering to ---trusting in and relying on the truth ------that Jesus is Lord and that He was raised from the dead -------

As long as you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that it was GOD who raised Jesus from the dead you will be saved. That’s an important distinction people seem to gloss over or entirely miss altogether.

 

[studentoftheword]

grace to you, and peace

Calvinists in no way believe one has no need of faith in Jesus to be saved. so you see, you really don't understand Calvinists. a good way to rectify this would be to go to the Reformed to be told what it is they believe, don't you think?

will you be so kind as to explain what you mean when you say none of them are saved?
thank you

Grace and peace to you as well ------

I have Calvinist Friends and this is what they Believe -----no Faith mentioned here ---
-Grace comes through Faith ------and that is never said in Calvinism --------God's unmerited favor saves whom He chooses ----- Salvation Precedes Faith in Calvinism ------see this below in article ====

Rather, the willingness and ability to do God's will are evidence of God's own faithfulness to save men from the power and the penalty of sin,

Calvinism argues that regeneration must precede faith.

Right here these 2 statements are False Doctrine ------No one gets Saved by Grace alone as Grace COMES THOUGHT OUR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ---

I say --------The scriptures tell you how your saved and you must adhere to them ----------see Romans 10:9 and Look at -------IF YOU CONFESS ---IF YOU BELIEVE -----that is not what Calvinist believe and so they cann ot be saved by doing what they want to do or believe --------


What are 4 key beliefs of Calvinism?


The five principles of Calvinism as formulated by the Synod of Dort (1618-1619) are summarized in "tulip," a popular acronym for total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistibility of grace and final perseverance of the saints.Feb 6, 2006

read all here ------
Irresistible grace

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_grace

Some claim that fourth-century Church Father Augustine of Hippo taught that God grants those whom he chooses for salvation the gift of persevering grace, and that they could not conceivably fall away.[citation needed] This doctrine gave rise to the doctrine of irresistible grace (gratia irresistibilis), though the term was not used during Augustine's lifetime

According to Calvinism, those who obtain salvation do so, not by their own "free" will, but because of the sovereign grace of God.
That is, men yield to grace, not finally because their consciences were more tender or their faith more tenacious than that of other men.

Rather, the willingness and ability to do God's will are evidence of God's own faithfulness to save men from the power and the penalty of sin, and since man is dead in sin and a slave to it, he cannot decide or be wooed to follow after God: God must powerfully intervene by giving him life and irresistibly drawing the sinner to himself.

In short, Calvinism argues that regeneration must precede faith. In contrast, Arminianism argues that God’s grace through Jesus Christ stirs up a willingness to know God and respond to the gospel before regeneration;[4] it is how God intervenes that separates Calvinism from Arminianism

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I might be mistaken, but it sounded like you were stating that the natural man can invite Jesus into his heart. Did I misunderstand you?

No, I have never made that claim. But I believe God will knock on every single heart and invite Himself in but like Revelation 3 confirms only those hearing will be willing to Open the Door.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I attempt to try to explain every scripture that you send my way, unlike some on this forum. Col 1:27, says that Christ is in us, the hope of glory. Jesus as a three in one God, also dwells within us, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

You have yet, to give me a scripture that states that we have to invite Jesus into our hearts to be delivered eternally.

I don't believe I used the literal term to INVITE Christ in but I did use and relate what Revelation 3 states that we must OPEN THE DOOR for Him to come in.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Where does that say to invite Jesus into your heart?
The passage you are quoting is Paul telling the Ephesians about his pray for them.

You can twist Scripture as you choose but it clearly states Christ lives in our Hearts.

And I have always used Revelation 3 that specifically claims we must OPEN THE DOOR FOR JESUS TO ENTER INTO.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

it’s true jacob was given a new name , Abram was given a new name the hier of Adam also wasnt abel but Seth. What does that have to do with no difference between Jew and gentile in Christ according to judgement ?

Jacob is chosen by God as a representative of his elect people (to show that his election might stand Rom 9:11) The house of Jacob/Israel is made up of both Jews and Gentiles from every kindred, and tongue, and person, and nation, and are judged as they sojourn here in this world, by God's chastening, (Heb 12:6), and will not be judged at the last day. (Matt 25:34) The wicked are not judged by God as they sojourn here on earth, (Psalms 73:5 Plagued=divine punishment) but will be judged in the last day. (Matt 25:31)

The scriptures must harmonize, before you can understand the truths contained within them. God loves his elect, and had his Son to die to redeem them from their sins. God does not love the wicked, and they are not included in those he died for.

Most of God's born again children misinterpret the scriptures by not understanding the different interpretations of the same words, such as the words; World, salvation, saved, save, All men (that is under consideration), etc. Such misinterpretations will tend to lead them into believing in eternal deliverance by good works.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; ( forgive them they don’t know what thier doing )

but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is addressing "the men of Athens, pointing out that they were ignorantly worshiping God, as their unknown God. The "all men" is the "all men" that he is addressing, which is all men of Athens, who are actually worshiping God.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

you didn’t answer but evaded ? That’s good Info but

it’s true jacob was given a new name , Abram was given a new name the hier of Adam also wasnt abel but Seth. What does that have to do with no difference between Jew and gentile in Christ according to judgement ?

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; ( forgive them they don’t know what thier doing )

but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

…“in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile

; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery, which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:3, 5-6‬ ‭

Because they rejected Jesus the messiah sent to save Israel and condemned him to be crucified , gentiles and Jews are Now the same

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The fear of God causes repentance and co side ration of one’s own self it comes when we acknowledge our own eventual time so we want to hear from and follow Jesus ways he said will save our souls “ treat one another like you actually love each other “ sums up his word and is all that’s truly needed

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m old and still it’s never changed

God's born again children of God are before the judgement seat of Christ as they sojourn here in this world, by his chastenings.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Jesus does by his word is my point he also says who is saved or not saved by the gospel he sent to all

This is one example, of many, where you are applying "saved" to being eternally delivered, instead of a deliverance that the born again child of God receives here in time by obeying the instructions in the gospel. This is why you mistakenly are believing that you are delivered eternally by your works.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No. The question is "Do you personally believe what Paul said in Romans 1:16 -- that "THE GOSPEL IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION"? Do you believe that "the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Heb 4:12)? Do you believe that when the true Gospel is preached from the Word of God, the Holy Spirit is right there to convict and to convince everyone? Do you believe that this is precisely why the Lord Jesus Christ commanded His apostles (and the Church) to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to "every creature"? "Every creature" is a "natural man" before they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is given only to those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38).

"The thoughts and intents of the heart" Have you considered the difference in the heart of stone of the natural man, and the fleshy heart of the born again man? So which heart do you think the spiritual word of God is going to effect in this manner

Heb 4:9 - There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

The Holy Spirit indwells those who have been born again to convict and convince.

God scattered the house of Israel (those who have been born again) into all of the world, because they turned away from God and worshiped idols. He blinded them to the word of truth, until they repent. They are known as "the lost sheep", in whom the remnant of the house of Israel are instructed to go into all the world teaching them to repent and believe the gospel. The lost sheep still have the promise of their eternal inheritance, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

The heart of stone of the natural man cannot be pricked to feel guilty of breaking a spiritual law, but the heart of flesh, of the born again man can be pricked, by God, to feel guilty, which was the case in Acts 2:37 when they said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "men and brethren, what must we do.

In contrast, the natural men, with a heart of stone, after hearing the same sermon as Peter's sermon, (Acts 7:54) were "cut to the heart" and gnashed on Stephen with their teeth.

 

[Cameron143]

No offense taken feller God loves us all and calls us by the same word

Kudos feller from the holler.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I don't believe I used the literal term to INVITE Christ in but I did use and relate what Revelation 3 states that we must OPEN THE DOOR for Him to come in.

It all boils down to "who will hear his voice", and that is not the natural man.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You can twist Scripture as you choose but it clearly states Christ lives in our Hearts.

And I have always used Revelation 3 that specifically claims we must OPEN THE DOOR FOR JESUS TO ENTER INTO.

Christ lives in the born again person's heart that is open ro Jesus, as long as he is walking in his ways.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Exactly lol

My earliest memory is sittin in my mamas lap and daddy readin the bible in candlelight and that was my childhood evening before bed eventually of course I was not in her lap but I was always taught " this is what Gods word says " so I can't ever remember a day I became saved I can remember to about 5 years old but I think my mama and daddy just fed me gods word


Was a different world" up hill both ways" you know in" three feet of snow barefoot "

I relate to that. I can not remember when I was born again. It comes as a gentle breeze, not knowing where it came from, or where it went. I believe that most people who think that they remember when, are mistaken it to when they were converted, which is different than when they were born again, and comes after they were born again. I remember my conversion came like a fourth of July fireworks, at the age of 62.

 

[Ted01]

I think that Rom. 1:21 kinda shows us that all people are aware of God and therefore have the ability to call on Him... they don't need to be "regenerated" as some have suggested.

Romans 1:21 ESV For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I was saved after an extremely sinful 38 years.

I believe that must have been your conversion (turn about).

 

[Runningman]

You can twist Scripture as you choose but it clearly states Christ lives in our Hearts.

And I have always used Revelation 3 that specifically claims we must OPEN THE DOOR FOR JESUS TO ENTER INTO.

yes. if someone is standing at a door and knocking then it stands to reason that if they are allowed to come in then they were invited in. I was a little confused why they were challenging this so much at first, but then I realized because it's because many things in the Bible are threat to Calvinism.

Calvinism wants regenerations before faith, but ,to have faith, a bit of regeneration must occur first. As result, they've caught themselves in a theological pickle.

I think it mainly stems from the false belief that non-Christians can't do anything good or come to believe in God through knowledge and understanding.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

You can twist Scripture as you choose but it clearly states Christ lives in our Hearts.

And I have always used Revelation 3 that specifically claims we must OPEN THE DOOR FOR JESUS TO ENTER INTO.

You are the ome adding your personal theology to scripture. Not one of those passages say one word about inviting Jesus into any bodily organs.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

It's a bit more nuanced that that, but yes.

John 12
44Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Romans 10
9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

"saved", according to Greek translation means "delivered" After a person has been born again and given insight to believe in the things of the Spirit, they are delivered, as they sojourn here in this world, from ignorance of spiritual things. "Saved" in this scripture has no reference to eternal deliverance.