LGBT MOVEMENT CONTINUES TO INFILTRATE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES

[hornetguy]

I think it used to be if found guilty you could be put in jail

but thing is adulterers do not, in this society/world they dont even get put in. jail, (or stoned as used to be the case) they can marry someone else and the one they cheated on has to deal with it.

while those who have been molested homosxually need to deal with the trauma and they cant always jail the perpetrator.

likewaise what happens to all those young women who've had their virginity stolen from them, they are raped etc. Or they have children out of wedlock does the church provide a safe haven for them? Not necessairly they are often judged

also people suffering mental illness, not given the healing Jesus can provide but told to take their medications

This is getting WAY off track from the OP.... this is about avowed homosexual groups trying to infiltrate and CHANGE the church.
"Accepting" sinners is not the topic here, as much as some would like to sidetrack it to. This is about homosexuals trying to turn the church into a "homosexuality is okay" way of thinking.... when it is (scripturally) most certainly NOT ok.... just like stealing is not ok, and gluttony is not ok, nor is gossip, or adultery. If any "group" wanted to change the church to say that any of those bad lifestyle choices is okay, they they would be wrong, as well.

Would you be okay with a neo-Nazi group wanting to infiltrate the church and try to turn it into a "whites only" church? Would you just "accept" them and go on as if nothing is wrong with that?

You cannot ride the fence on right and wrong. You can accept that humans are flawed, and will mess up, but we cannot CONDONE and embrace that type of behavior. We accept and embrace the person with those flaws... as long as they are trying to change to become Christ-like.... If they want carte blanche to just live the lifestyle they choose, then the church must not fellowship with them. See Corinthians....

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

pride comes before a fall

I think it divides a lot of churches because of unrepentant family members mostly, not so much infiltration but they were always there and their sin has to be dealt with

like you have divorce care for peoole who married in haste
budgetting programs for people who spend too much
rehabs for drunkards

so for those who are gay or in homosexual lifestyles and getting out of it I dont think they really have a place to go to get over it or away from it.

so thats they seem to have these separate churches for them. as far as marriage goes, well for some they think at least marriage is better than promiscuity

I don't think they don't need another program. They have the gospel if they want it. The gospel gets people saved. Post salvation instructions and application of the word sanctifies/ sets them apart progressively from those sins.
Ie. The Lord's prayer in John 17:17
That was for those who were already saved.

Homosexuals are not believers.
They need This.

IF they get saved, then they should get into a church that preaches against homosexuality like that pastor leads.

 

[ResidentAlien]

This is getting WAY off track from the OP.... this is about avowed homosexual groups trying to infiltrate and CHANGE the church.
"Accepting" sinners is not the topic here, as much as some would like to sidetrack it to. This is about homosexuals trying to turn the church into a "homosexuality is okay" way of thinking.... when it is (scripturally) most certainly NOT ok.... just like stealing is not ok, and gluttony is not ok, nor is gossip, or adultery. If any "group" wanted to change the church to say that any of those bad lifestyle choices is okay, they they would be wrong, as well.

Would you be okay with a neo-Nazi group wanting to infiltrate the church and try to turn it into a "whites only" church? Would you just "accept" them and go on as if nothing is wrong with that?

You cannot ride the fence on right and wrong. You can accept that humans are flawed, and will mess up, but we cannot CONDONE and embrace that type of behavior. We accept and embrace the person with those flaws... as long as they are trying to change to become Christ-like.... If they want carte blanche to just live the lifestyle they choose, then the church must not fellowship with them. See Corinthians....

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

The United Methodist Church is abandoning Scriptural teachings on marriage and homosexuality and incorporating political LGBT correctness instead.

439 Texas churches split from United Methodist Church as slow-motion schism continues: 439 Texas churches split from United Methodist Church as slow-motion schism continues (msn.com)

And the Methodists aren't the only Denominations falling to the LGBT agenda:

The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America allows same-sex couples to get married, but leaves it up to individual ministers of congregations to decide, according to a 2009 resolution. “There is nothing that prescribes who a congregation pastor can marry or not marry, so long as it is consistent with state law,” ELCA Secretary David Swartling said in 2012.

The Episcopal Church established a rite of blessing for same-sex couples in 2012 and prohibited discrimination against transgender people. It has welcomed gay people since 1976, when its General Convention decided that “homosexual persons are children of God who have a full and equal claim with all other persons upon the love, acceptance, and pastoral concern and care of the Church.” Technically it has no official policy sanctioning same-sex marriage, but it will take up the issue in June.

The United Church of Christ has allowed same-sex couples to get married since 2005. At the 25th General Synod of the United Church of Christ in Atlanta, it “affirm[ed] equal marriage rights for couples regardless of gender and declares that the government should not interfere with couples regardless of gender who choose to marry and share fully and equally in the rights, responsibilities and commitment of legally recognized marriage.” It was the first major Protestant denomination to do so.

The Episcopal church in the state University city has been writing letters to the editor about ultra far left socialist, feminist, homosexual promoting agendas long before that. I hope that those who attend such would get saved, leave these churches and join a good Bible believing one that preaches against sodomy.

 

[HeIsHere]

Good morning.
These points were discussed and answered in this topic, yesterday.

Actually it really was not. Not really sure what you mean by "acceptance"

No, I would not exclude anyone if they come to seek God.
At my church and my Bible study every Friday, we have a mentally challenged guy, a drug addict, the mother of a son who killed himself due to depression, a gay guy who sings at the choir (he hasn’t said it but I know he’s gay), a few elderly, young people in college (who also go to church camp every summer), we have people from Ethiopia, Greece, Ukraine, Albania and many many varieties and colors of people who come to seek God in their own ways.

As well we come to Him on His terms not "in our own way."

 

[Eli1]

Actually it really was not. Not really sure what you mean by "acceptance"



As well we come to Him on His terms not "in our own way."

By acceptance I mean that we need to accept sinners and then show them the messages of Christ.

By “their own ways” I mean people who are struggling and are desperate and hopeless so they are searching in their own way for God until they find themselves into the doors of the church where we need to accept them and then show them the message of Christ .

Does this make sense ?

 

[HeIsHere]

This is getting WAY off track from the OP.... this is about avowed homosexual groups trying to infiltrate and CHANGE the church.
"Accepting" sinners is not the topic here, as much as some would like to sidetrack it to. This is about homosexuals trying to turn the church into a "homosexuality is okay" way of thinking.... when it is (scripturally) most certainly NOT ok.... just like stealing is not ok, and gluttony is not ok, nor is gossip, or adultery. If any "group" wanted to change the church to say that any of those bad lifestyle choices is okay, they they would be wrong, as well.

Would you be okay with a neo-Nazi group wanting to infiltrate the church and try to turn it into a "whites only" church? Would you just "accept" them and go on as if nothing is wrong with that?

You cannot ride the fence on right and wrong. You can accept that humans are flawed, and will mess up, but we cannot CONDONE and embrace that type of behavior. We accept and embrace the person with those flaws... as long as they are trying to change to become Christ-like.... If they want carte blanche to just live the lifestyle they choose, then the church must not fellowship with them. See Corinthians....

Just wondering your view, but thinking about this topic, it seems to me that the "church" the group of assembled believers is not the place of evangelism, evangelism occurs in the world and then they are brought to church by a believer. I think this is the New Testament model.

It seems to me that the leaders/elders of the church during first century Christianity knew their congregation and those not conforming to a Christian lifestyle were asked to leave to protect the body of believers. 1 Corinthians 5:5

Just wondering your view, but thinking about this topic, it seems to me that the "church" the group of assembled believers is NOT the place of evangelism, evangelism occurs in the world and then they are brought to church by a believer.

Today more and more believers in Christ will flee these churches, there will be a lot of abandoned buildings but I think there will be a return to the "church" being a place for believers and not sightseers.

 

[HeIsHere]

By acceptance I mean that we need to accept sinners and then show them the messages of Christ.

By “their own ways” I mean people who are struggling and are desperate and hopeless so they are searching in their own way for God until they find themselves into the doors of the church where we need to accept them and then show them the message of Christ .

Does this make sense ?

And what would that message be according to scripture?

 

[Eli1]

And what would that message be according to scripture?

Well the message is to repent and turn away from sin And love God. This is where the Jesus verse applies “Go, and sin no more”

 

[HeIsHere]

Well the message is or repent and turn away from sin. This is where the Jesus verde applies “Go, and sin no more”

That is not the Gospel btw. No where are we told to turn away from sin for salvation.

 

[Eli1]

That is not the Gospel btw. No where are we told to turn away from sin for salvation.

Oooh so this is a topic of salvation?
Okay, yes in the Orthodox Church the topic of salvation is a bit of a mystery.

Would you like to talk about that?
This is what American churches talk about and the whole interpretation of the Bible revolves around salvation or revelation.
‘In the East Orthodox Church we emphasize in living NOW for Christ with hope and joy.

 

[CS1]

You know? This is fascinating.
Because English might be your primary language and you confuse the statement : The Gays are people like us and are created in God’s image. ."

This is why we have such wild interpretations of the Bible in Christianity.
‘But hey if a “us vs them’ mentality draws you closer to God, then by all means go ahead.

that was a weak response to the context of what is promoted today.

 

[Eli1]

that was a weak response to the context of what is promoted today.

If this weakness draws you closer to God, then I will be weaker for you my friend.

 

[CS1]

You know? This is fascinating.
Because English might be your primary language and you confuse the statement : The Gays are people like us and are created in God’s image. ."

This is why we have such wild interpretations of the Bible in Christianity.
‘But hey if a “us vs them’ mentality draws you closer to God, then by all means go ahead.

Are you also trying to set up a false narrative question to you sir, who is the "us" you are speaking of? You try to insult by making false accusations. I must have touched a nerve. The only thing I said was Sin is sin and gay is not people but a sin people do. And the idea of Gay being people born like like OF PEOPLE IS PROMOTED TODAY.

lol. Yu deny that?

 

[HeIsHere]

Oooh so this is a topic of salvation?
Okay, yes in the Orthodox Church the topic of salvation is a bit of a mystery.

Would you like to talk about that?
This is what American churches talk about and the whole interpretation of the Bible revolves around salvation or revelation.
‘In the East Orthodox Church we emphasize in living NOW for Christ with hope and joy.

A person must be in Christ and have Christ in them in order to live now for Christ.

I hope you realize one day soon there is only one way through the gate.

 

[Eli1]

A person must be in Christ and have Christ in them in order to live now for Christ.

I hope you realize one day soon there is only one way through the gate.

Oh absolutely and I agree with you 100%. In fact I would die for Christ.
‘It’s just that I don’t live my life for a future event especially since it’s not very clear to me.

All I know is love God, love your neighbor and this gives me hope and joy despite daily sufferings around the world.

 

[JohnDB]

Death is light as a feather when responsibilities are as heavy as a mountain.

 

[Eli1]

Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[CS1]

If this weakness draws you closer to God, then I will be weaker for you my friend.

it's not about me. Please don't try and make it so, you did not answer the question I asked and are trying to make it personal. it will not work.

 

[oyster67]

That would be about right. The LGBTQ Movement is a demonic drive to pervert sex and make all (or any many as possible) into confused sexual beings. The fact that the political and religious "establishments" are promoting it shows that it is no longer a fringe movement but a deliberate attempt to destroy very young children. The entertainment industry is a part of this evil.

Satan setting us up for the end time homosexual antichrist?...

DANIEL 11
36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.