LGBT MOVEMENT CONTINUES TO INFILTRATE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES

[Ted01]

One person's infiltration is another's invitation. Maybe if so many of the letters weren't so similar it would lessen the confusion.

That's an excellent point.
And I also think that everybody's (Christian's) response to life-issues can be different.

For me though, I often see Christian's trying to defend the church as though God can't defend it Himself.
Christianity isn't a fragile thing that needs defending. Furthermore, Scripture tells us that the World hates us
because it hates God. Therefore, it's always been and always will be under attack.

I just wish that we weren't always seeking to improve the image of the Church when the world sees Christianity
through the lenses of unbelievers, and just stay the course... be the people that God wants each individual to be. Not try
to paint some picture of perfection or try to argue against the stereotype(s) that Christian's have become in the world's eye.
I don't think that we have to try to instill moral values on unbelievers, just live our lives unto God with integrity.

The homosexual-movement is here and probably isn't going to go away... we're not going to open the eyes of anyone...
we're not going to convince unbelievers to believe. That's God's job, right?

Instead, just hold fast to what we believe. Fight for rights to follow our faith. And allow unbelievers to do their thing. And
when churches increasingly fall away and follow the world... we move on to other congregations. I think that as a whole,
we've allowed ourselves to become complacent in choosing a congregation, and the Enemy has built a huge surplus of
churches that aren't truly built on Biblical foundations... but they do exist.

So, anyway, I don't go around trying to change society or even people, I try to do the best that I can do in a Godly way. I think
that in doing this, God's light in me will shine in the Darkness. And those seeking Light, will come.
But that's just me...

 

[Cameron143]

Yeah so these people are now more hopeful being there and hearing the message of Jesus Christ.
They are trying to repent from their old ways and are helping more around the church by being engaged in church activities or Bible studies.
It’s also wonderful to see the young generation (ages 10-25) being engaged with many church activities and summer camps.

I think, as often happens on this site, is that people talk past one another and never actually come to understand what the other is saying.
I find this terribly unfortunate...especially for Christians.

 

[kaylagrl]

These days people want to ignore the Bible but for some UNBELIEVABLE reason still want to be called Christian. Whats so attractive about that? I'll tell you what, its the lovey dovey God loves me, God's got my back. I feel good, i feel forgiven, my conscience is soothed.

2 Timothy 4. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


We have a lot of itchy ears this day in age...

 

[Ted01]

Okay so think for a moment on what you said and apply it to yourself in regards to the Catholic Church so you can understand these churches better.
You for example say a lot of things about the Catholic Church according to your Bible interpretation And you support your position with Bible verses.

Also, just like you take a verse from the Bible to support your position, the other side (the gay churches) would take the position that Jesus helped and showed compassion towards a prostitute, a thief / murderer and hung out with the most despicable in the society (back then) like a tax collector.

So how do you know you’re right and they’re wrong?

Jesus truly is merciful in many respects... but even to the woman caught in adultery, He told her to go and sin no more. He was not tolerant.

 

[Cameron143]

That's an excellent point.
And I also think that everybody's (Christian's) response to life-issues can be different.

For me though, I often see Christian's trying to defend the church as though God can't defend it Himself.
Christianity isn't a fragile thing that needs defending. Furthermore, Scripture tells us that the World hates us
because it hates God. Therefore, it's always been and always will be under attack.

I just wish that we weren't always seeking to improve the image of the Church when the world sees Christianity
through the lenses of unbelievers, and just stay the course... be the people that God wants each individual to be. Not try
to paint some picture of perfection or try to argue against the stereotype(s) that Christian's have become in the world's eye.
I don't think that we have to try to instill moral values on unbelievers, just live our lives unto God with integrity.

The homosexual-movement is here and probably isn't going to go away... we're not going to open the eyes of anyone...
we're not going to convince unbelievers to believe. That's God's job, right?

Instead, just hold fast to what we believe. Fight for rights to follow our faith. And allow unbelievers to do their thing. And
when churches increasingly fall away and follow the world... we move on to other congregations. I think that as a whole,
we've allowed ourselves to become complacent in choosing a congregation, and the Enemy has built a huge surplus of
churches that aren't truly built on Biblical foundations... but they do exist.

So, anyway, I don't go around trying to change society or even people, I try to do the best that I can do in a Godly way. I think
that in doing this, God's light in me will shine in the Darkness. And those seeking Light, will come.
But that's just me...

Amen. I was largely just making a joke but I'm glad you were stirred to share as you have.
I think it was Spurgeon when commenting on the defense of Christ compared it to guarding a lion. A lion, he said, doesn't need to be defended but merely let out of its cage. It already knows how to defend itself.

 

[Eli1]

I think, as often happens on this site, is that people talk past one another and never actually come to understand what the other is saying.
I find this terribly unfortunate...especially for Christians.

I know, but it’s okay. Maybe that’s how they draw closer to God?
I don’t know.

All I know is that life is meaningless without Jesus and I love him with all my heart.

 

[Komentaja]

If conspiracies draw you closer to God, then keep going. This is the point of people reaching in different ways.
Later.

You really shouldn't be in a Christian chat at ALL based on what you've been posting. YOu are just "okaying" LGBT marriages by saying "Well you know, its their truth and whatever"

Not to mention, there are a ton of conspiracies in the Bible. Against MANY people, Joseph and Jesus to name a few! There is a whole sermon on the topic I could link.

 

[Eli1]

You really shouldn't be in a Christian chat at ALL based on what you've been posting. YOu are just "okaying" LGBT marriages by saying "Well you know, its their truth and whatever"

Not to mention, there are a ton of conspiracies in the Bible. Against MANY people, Joseph and Jesus to name a few! There is a whole sermon on the topic I could link.

If this draws you closer to God, then keep going.

 

[ResidentAlien]

These days people want to ignore the Bible but for some UNBELIEVABLE reason still want to be called Christian. Whats so attractive about that? I'll tell you what, its the lovey dovey God loves me, God's got my back. I feel good, i feel forgiven, my conscience is soothed.

And they hate conservative historical Christianity. It's not enough to have their own rights they have to take everyone else's away. Anyone who doesn't go along with their agenda has to bow. They want to get rid of any dissenting voices, especially conservative Christians. They're all for tolerance except for anyone who disagrees with them!

 

[Cameron143]

I know, but it’s okay. Maybe that’s how they draw closer to God?
I don’t know.

All I know is that life is meaningless without Jesus and I love him with all my heart.

And seem to witness this as you love others.

 

[wattie]

It's so-called Christians who love the praise of men more than God. I watched my mother devolve from a God-fearing Methodist woman who made us go to church every Sunday into a supporter of gay marriage in her old age. Now I wonder if she ever really was that God-fearing or if she just tumbled along wherever the winds of popular culture blew her.

Same experience for me and my mum. Liberal methodists in NZ.. started incorporating mystism in the late 90s.. now are affirming the lgbtq crowd. The problem is they have a mode of expressing faith that is different for each individual and church.

Some methodist aren't much different to conservative baptists. Others have congregations that you would be hard pressed to identify as Christian.

 

[Komentaja]

Okay so think for a moment on what you said and apply it to yourself in regards to the Catholic Church so you can understand these churches better.
You for example say a lot of things about the Catholic Church according to your Bible interpretation And you support your position with Bible verses.

Also, just like you take a verse from the Bible to support your position, the other side (the gay churches) would take the position that Jesus helped and showed compassion towards a prostitute, a thief / murderer and hung out with the most despicable in the society (back then) like a tax collector.

So how do you know you’re right and they’re wrong?

The Bible says so........ Look, there are no gay marriages in the Bible, there are only gay funerals.

See, when Jesus was "hanging around" with these people, He wasn't sitting there saying "yo man,let me take a hit of that. You cool dawg you cool. God like, totally loves you and stuff". Thats that "ANOTHER JESUS" Paul warns about, the REAL JESUS came as a suffering servant the first time, showing grace BUT calling people to REPENTANCE, something these churches dont do at all, they encourage the lifestyle, or deathstyle rather as being gay is worse for your health than smoking, they dont tell them that at school when they promote it though, you live shorter lives than smokers!)

First time around we have the suffering servant, next up, coming to a city near you:

Psalm 110:
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

Some folks gonna get slaughtered by that loving Jesus. I didn't write it, trust me I didn't. If it was up to me I would let everyone to heaven for free. This life is hell enough I say! However I don't make the rules!

 

[ResidentAlien]

Same experience for me and my mum. Liberal methodists in NZ.. started incorporating mystism in the late 90s.. now are affirming the lgbtq crowd. The problem is they have a mode of expressing faith that is different for each individual and church.

Some methodist aren't much different to conservative baptists. Others have congregations that you would be hard pressed to identify as Christian.

That's true.

 

[kaylagrl]

How is this schisms different from Protestants leaving the Catholic Church?

There are things that the Catholic church teaches that is against what the Word says. Martin Luther made the case quite well.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/...-what-you-may-not-know-why-they-matter-today/

Luther is known mostly for his teachings about Scripture and justification. Regarding Scripture, he argued the Bible alone (sola scriptura) is our ultimate authority for faith and practice. Regarding justification, he taught we are saved solely through faith in Jesus Christ because of God’s grace and Christ’s merit. We are neither saved by our merits nor declared righteous by our good works. Additionally, we need to fully trust in God to save us from our sins, rather than relying partly on our own self-improvement. And this was the birth of the Reformation. It was the Catholics that decided to go against God's Word, not the other way round.

 

[Eli1]

The Bible says so........ Look, there are no gay marriages in the Bible, there are only gay funerals.

See, when Jesus was "hanging around" with these people, He wasn't sitting there saying "yo man,let me take a hit of that. You cool dawg you cool. God like, totally loves you and stuff". Thats that "ANOTHER JESUS" Paul warns about, the REAL JESUS came as a suffering servant the first time, showing grace BUT calling people to REPENTANCE, something these churches dont do at all, they encourage the lifestyle, or deathstyle rather as being gay is worse for your health than smoking, they dont tell them that at school when they promote it though, you live shorter lives than smokers!)

First time around we have the suffering servant, next up, coming to a city near you:

Psalm 110:
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

Some folks gonna get slaughtered by that loving Jesus. I didn't write it, trust me I didn't. If it was up to me I would let everyone to heaven for free. This life is hell enough I say! However I don't make the rules!

‘Well, if having targets gets you closer to God, then yeah go ahead find targets and get closer to God.

 

[Komentaja]

And they hate conservative historical Christianity. It's not enough to have their own rights they have to take everyone else's away. Anyone who doesn't go along with their agenda has to bow. They want to get rid of any dissenting voices, especially conservative Christians. They're all for tolerance except for anyone who disagrees with them!

Preach it! You know Paul would be going NUTS if he saw what "christians" are doing today. If only he knew whats going today!

Btw: I just want to point out that this is PROOF that the HISTORICAL CHRISTIAN POSITION is correct. Its the only faith thats under attack. As Jesus said, the WORLD hates me, they gonna hate you as well

Every other religion is "beautiful" and wonderful and diverse, but Christianity. (Despite the fact that Islam is the most violent religion ever, from the pits of hell, but hey, it just so beautiful maan)

 

[Eli1]

There are things that the Catholic church teaches that is against what the Word says. Martin Luther made the case quite well.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/...-what-you-may-not-know-why-they-matter-today/

Luther is known mostly for his teachings about Scripture and justification. Regarding Scripture, he argued the Bible alone (sola scriptura) is our ultimate authority for faith and practice. Regarding justification, he taught we are saved solely through faith in Jesus Christ because of God’s grace and Christ’s merit. We are neither saved by our merits nor declared righteous by our good works. Additionally, we need to fully trust in God to save us from our sins, rather than relying partly on our own self-improvement. And this was the birth of the Reformation. It was the Catholics that decided to go against God's Word, not the other way round.

Basically you posted a completely subjective idea and this is why I’ve said in other posts that “everybody is right in their own ways” because if you are looking for the “ correct’ version then you’re not going to find it because everyone interprets the Bible differently.

 

[kaylagrl]

But what you see as “infiltration” some other guy sees as “tolerance”.
So yeah, everyone has their own truths and as long as they love God and Jesus they’re good and they’re trying, all in their own different ways.
‘We’re all sinners so we’re trying.

Sorry for the harsh mark. Tolerance is not a word or attitude you will find in God's Word. It's God's way or no way. If you love God you will not continue a sinful lifestyle. We are not sinners, we are saved by grace, we were sinners. We will fail, but we repent and do our best not to do so again. We do not live in sin, we do not live a sinful lifestyle.

 

[Komentaja]

‘Well, if having targets gets you closer to God, then yeah go ahead find targets and get closer to God.

Just ignore the scripture presented with that worn out response. Can't really discuss anything with someone who says they love Jesus, but don't like His word all too much and defend things contrary to His word.

You seem to have this idea that no one can know whats right or wrong. Who knows if praying to dead people who we dont even know were "saints" or saved wrong? WHO KNOWS? Well, the Bible says we pray to the Father in Jesus' name. Simple. So thats how we know who is WRONG and who isnt and it aint open for interpretation its PLAIN as your nose in the air

Enjoy the deception pal! Hope you stop promoting evil before its too late.

 

[kaylagrl]

Basically you posted a completely subjective idea and this is why I’ve said in other posts that “everybody is right in their own ways” because if you are looking for the “ correct’ version then you’re not going to find it because everyone interprets the Bible differently.

No, not subjective. God's Word is never subjective. The Bible is clear. If every one is right then nothing is wrong. No, the Word is true and clear, it is not subjective.