Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support

[HeIsHere]

That was complete word salad which is Jordan Peterson's signature move
90% of what he says is just fluff. He uses a lot of flowery cryptic language to make it sound like he's saying something profound when he's really when not. He's one of those people who can talk for hours and say absolutely nothing
He also contradicts himself because in his debates with both Sam Harris and Matt Dillahunty he said the Bible is just stories and metaphors

Well Peterson is an atheist/agnostic so he is as enlightened on truth as Harris, the blind discussing with the blind, but Peterson raises a very valid point on the limits of neuroscience and morality. Most of our thoughts are unconscious therefore we are limited in using the mind as way to measure "well Being

Here I will translate the word salad for you.

"Well being" cannot be objectively defined, neuroscience cannot do it because we are only conscious of a small portion of our thoughts, we cannot know ourselves fully and no fMRI can reveal our thoughts.

But beyond that, Harris' logical is flawed as many philosophers have pointed out.

Logically you cannot jump from “torture hurts people” and “you shouldn’t torture." There is a hidden premise we shouldn't do what hurts people.

The premise is moral in nature.
If morality is hard wired into out brains because of evolutionary biology then it would be present in each baby, how would that be revealed?

You only know stealing is wrong because society has deemed it wrong based on God's moral law which exists out side of our brains, we internalize that code of conduct because we are raised in it not because we have some hard wired brain that reveals it to us.

If we are pre-programmed for "well being" towards each other, Auschwitz would have never happened.

 

[Cameron143]

Okay thanks. God bless you and your family.

May God bless you and yours as well. And the reason I am familiar with these matters is because whether one sends their children to public school or homeschools, the same decisions have to be made. Mask or not? Shot or not? Etc.
When public health officials make poor decisions it can lead to harm. When public health officials make decisions for reasons other than accurate science, the results can prove tragic.
I personally no longer trust the US government, in too many instances, to provide accurate information. Fortunately, I have a son who is a pharmacist and was able to get accurate information. Regrettably, in my opinion, this was not the case for many.

 

[ZNP]

May God bless you and yours as well. And the reason I am familiar with these matters is because whether one sends their children to public school or homeschools, the same decisions have to be made. Mask or not? Shot or not? Etc.
When public health officials make poor decisions it can lead to harm. When public health officials make decisions for reasons other than accurate science, the results can prove tragic.
I personally no longer trust the US government, in too many instances, to provide accurate information. Fortunately, I have a son who is a pharmacist and was able to get accurate information. Regrettably, in my opinion, this was not the case for many.

Enrollment Down At Public Schools Around The Country

apparently many others are coming to the same conclusion.

 

[Dude653]

You have written on this forum that they had the right to censor posts because they were a private company and that it was not a violation of the US constitutional right to the freedom of speech.

That is false. They were directed by a variety of entities of the US federal government, it was a violation of freedom of speech, it resulted in an election being stolen and since a foreign government was involved that is treasonous. Get a good lawyer, preserve your documents.

As a result of that stolen election the policies of the border changed and the deaths from Fentanyl overdose virtually doubled to 108,000 in 2021. Now those 50,000 deaths were more than the kids killed at any school shooting. So there may be quite a bit of lawsuits from those families affected against anyone involved in this stolen election.

Election wasn't stolen

 

[Eli1]

May God bless you and yours as well. And the reason I am familiar with these matters is because whether one sends their children to public school or homeschools, the same decisions have to be made. Mask or not? Shot or not? Etc.
When public health officials make poor decisions it can lead to harm. When public health officials make decisions for reasons other than accurate science, the results can prove tragic.
I personally no longer trust the US government, in too many instances, to provide accurate information. Fortunately, I have a son who is a pharmacist and was able to get accurate information. Regrettably, in my opinion, this was not the case for many.

Good for you.
I don’t necessarily agree with you but you need to do what you think is best for your family.

 

[ZNP]

 

[ZNP]

Election wasn't stolen

You haven't been paying attention to the news. Twitter released documents proving that Biden lied about Hunter Biden's laptop, the intelligence community lied and also directed Twitter to censor posts over the scandal.

Polls have proven that had that story not been suppressed the election would have been very different.

It is criminal that the US government, DNC and intelligence community was involved in violating Americans 1st amendment right. No one can deny that this criminal behavior had a huge impact on the election.

 

[Cameron143]

Good for you.
I don’t necessarily agree with you but you need to do what you think is best for your family.

I always appreciate that we do not agree on any number of things but attempt to understand each other's point of view recognizing the worth we have in Christ as of supreme importance.

 

[ZNP]

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Enrollment Down At Public Schools Around The Country

apparently many others are coming to the same conclusion.

Yeah parents, get your children out of school and raise them yourself at home.
Sell the buildings to businesses.
Give me back my property taxes that you stole from me all of my life. You cost me thousands every year.
When your children are of age, they can get jobs with those businesses or start their own.
Re-establish the institution of family that God intended.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You're talking about the baker thing, I think the baker had a religious right because there were plenty of other bakers who would accommodate them
If you're talking about an employer firing someone for being gay then they have a discrimination case
Or when the state of Kentucky got sued because a clerk refused to obey the law and then, taxpayers were on the hook to pay for it

No im talking about the logic. An gender dysphoria is a mental illness and not discrimination to choose who you employ. The military does this everyday. Too obese? Better lose some weight or you are not getting in.

Every employer has the right to hire who they want when it doesn't discriminate against sex, age, race, or disability if the job can accommodate. If I want my male employee at the cash register not to look like a drag queen then they are not getting the job. Same with looking like a wall of graffiti in tattoos.

My point being you are saying it's okay for them to push their beliefs by law but not others? Makes no sense.

 

[Dude653]

Well Peterson is an atheist/agnostic so he is as enlightened on truth as Harris, the blind discussing with the blind, but Peterson raises a very valid point on the limits of neuroscience and morality. Most of our thoughts are unconscious therefore we are limited in using the mind as way to measure "well Being

Here I will translate the word salad for you.

"Well being" cannot be objectively defined, neuroscience cannot do it because we are only conscious of a small portion of our thoughts, we cannot know ourselves fully and no fMRI can reveal our thoughts.

But beyond that, Harris' logical is flawed as many philosophers have pointed out.

Logically you cannot jump from “torture hurts people” and “you shouldn’t torture." There is a hidden premise we shouldn't do what hurts people.

The premise is moral in nature.
If morality is hard wired into out brains because of evolutionary biology then it would be present in each baby, how would that be revealed?

You only know stealing is wrong because society has deemed it wrong based on God's moral law which exists out side of our brains, we internalize that code of conduct because we are raised in it not because we have some hard wired brain that reveals it to us.

If we are pre-programmed for "well being" towards each other, Auschwitz would have never happened.

Nazis weren't atheist. They were catholic. In his book the end of faith, Harris actually argues that there would be scenarios in which torturing someone would actually be justifiable like if a terrorist knows the location of a bomb that's going to kill hundreds or thousands of people, you could make a pretty good moral argument for torturing him to get him to talk
Someone asked Penn jillette if you don't believe in a god then what stops you from murdering and raving all you want to? His reply was I do murder and rape while I want to and that amount is zero
How do you explain the fact that I'm not Christian but I still know what's wrong to steal?

 

[Gojira]

The "get over yourself" sounds straight from the Alinsky playbook.......
best wishes

Like I said, they have reverse lenses over their eyes. Just ignoring the lad.

 

[Gojira]

Another Leftist lie: The Nazis were Christians.

Can't speak for each individual Nazi, but the leadership sure wasn't. They were anti-christian. I read Mein Kampf. No where does Hitler ever say that he saw Jesus as His God or Savior. In fact, he mentioned "providence" once or twice, and that's pretty much it.

They were largely occultic / new age in their leanings, preferring the Norse gods and other occult superstitions. They actually hated Christianity because the Nazis were evolutionistic. Christianity was the religion of the weak, with its support for the poor and the sick. The Nazis would rather nature take its course and deselect the weak and incapable, leaving the strongest "stock" behind for the next generation.

 

[Gojira]

Ummm, I think you have us confused with Muslims and Sharia law.

He has a lot more than that confused.

 

[Dude653]

Another Leftist lie: The Nazis were Christians.

Can't speak for each individual Nazi, but the leadership sure wasn't. They were anti-christian. I read Mein Kampf. No where does Hitler ever say that he saw Jesus as His God or Savior. In fact, he mentioned "providence" once or twice, and that's pretty much it.

They were largely occultic / new age in their leanings, preferring the Norse gods and other occult superstitions. They actually hated Christianity because the Nazis were evolutionistic. Christianity was the religion of the weak, with its support for the poor and the sick. The Nazis would rather nature take its course and deselect the weak and incapable, leaving the strongest "stock" behind for the next generation.

Hitler literally said he was doing God's work.. also wanted to Nazi soldiers wear belt buckles that says God is with us?
The Holocaust was largely a culmination of about 2,000 years of Catholic propaganda against the Jews
Hitler played on this to gain support for almost murdering all of them
Religion can turn good people into monsters
Imagine you were brainwashed from birth to believe the moon is made of cheese and anyone who doesn't believe the moon is made of cheese is evil and deserves whatever bad thing happens to them

 

[Gojira]

Oh... and the Nazis used Christian wording and symbolism to seduce the largely Catholic and Lutheran population to their side. When he got into power, his picture slowly began to replace images of Jesus in schools and churches.

Hitler once argued with a German bishop who agreed with Hitler's socialistic aims, but not his subversion of Christianity. Hitler exploded on him (name escapes me) and said, "The German people were around long before Christianity, and will be around long after it's gone!"

But... the Bible motivated him. Historical revisionism / pagan-Leftist propaganda.

 

[ZNP]

Another Leftist lie: The Nazis were Christians.

Can't speak for each individual Nazi, but the leadership sure wasn't. They were anti-christian. I read Mein Kampf. No where does Hitler ever say that he saw Jesus as His God or Savior. In fact, he mentioned "providence" once or twice, and that's pretty much it.

They were largely occultic / new age in their leanings, preferring the Norse gods and other occult superstitions. They actually hated Christianity because the Nazis were evolutionistic. Christianity was the religion of the weak, with its support for the poor and the sick. The Nazis would rather nature take its course and deselect the weak and incapable, leaving the strongest "stock" behind for the next generation.

I thought Dude said they were Catholics, not Christians. Although many Catholics are Christians it is not necessary to be a Catholic.

I think it is easily provable that the Nazi's were not atheists. They definitely believed in God just as the Demons do.

 

[kaylagrl]

I think the idea behind the mask is that it spreads through moisture from the lungs and the mask was allegedly reducing that
But a private business can demand that you wear a chicken suit to access the property if they want to because that's how the free market works
Property owner makes the rules

They can, but they didn't I must have a look. Only one person mentioned it in a pet store. I made a comment on their FB page and the head of the company called me. He said they didn't forbid people coming in the store without a mask and almost begged me to shop there again. The mask/ scarf whatever people were wearing was nothing more than a placebo. It wasn't protecting anyone from anything. People were wearing it wrong, they kept slipping so you were always touching it. It was all in your mind. The same thing as one way arrows down the store and plastic partitions. Then there was the crazy idea to eat in a tent because apparently the inside of a tent isn't "indoors". So much stupidity. smh When I saw politicians doing whatever they wanted I figured I was going to do the same. No one bothered me after a while, they knew I wasn't going to mask.

What bothered me besides the stupidity, was the ignorance of people. An older lady was standing in front of me at a dollar store with a cart. She was slightly over the "line" and the cashier yelled at her in front of everyone. She was so embarrassed and she turned to me and said she was sorry, she didn't notice she was over the line. And I said " Yes, but she wouldn't talk to you like that if you were a protester"!! When it came time for me to buy my items the older lady looked back and said "I wonder when this will end". And I said "When we stop supporting this foolishness, when we stop buying that's when it will stop. " I dropped my items on the counter and said to the cashier "not one more cent until they stop, not one!!" I walked away and didn't buy there again until they stopped the stupidity. Americans need to use their brains and stop being sheep. I don't know what it's gonna take to shake some people, but I'm not going down so easily the next time round. You may have to be sending me a cake with a file in it. I'm not falling for it a second time, believe that.

 

[HeIsHere]

Nazis weren't atheist. They were catholic. In his book the end of faith, Harris actually argues that there would be scenarios in which torturing someone would actually be justifiable like if a terrorist knows the location of a bomb that's going to kill hundreds or thousands of people, you could make a pretty good moral argument for torturing him to get him to talk
Someone asked Penn jillette if you don't believe in a god then what stops you from murdering and raving all you want to? His reply was I do murder and rape while I want to and that amount is zero
How do you explain the fact that I'm not Christian but I still know what's wrong to steal?

It is justifiable based on what?

You can read John Stuart Mill and see where Harris gets his utilitarian thinking but many philosophers have rightly shown the problems with this approach.

So far not one Atheist/Agnostic that I know has solved the problem of where morality comes from apart from a Moral Law Giver.

"Torture is justifiable" is a not an empirical fact which describes ...... it is a prescriptive statement, while it may be true in certain situations it is in the better common good to torture, that is a moral position not a logic position.

Like I stated you cannot draw any conclusions based on people who live in a society who are already inculcated with what is right and wrong.

You know it is wrong to steal because we live in a society that teaches that.

So I guess you profile is wrong it states you are Christian?