covid -19 vaccine effectiveness according to W.H.O.

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Judging by the Alex Jones trial, each of us could be up for at least 100s of millions (assuming we're all equal in the eyes of the law). Telling lies that could kill someone is far worse than accusing someone of being an actor, in the book of any fair-minded individual.
 

ZNP

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#45
Judging by the Alex Jones trial, each of us could be up for at least 100s of millions (assuming we're all equal in the eyes of the law). Telling lies that could kill someone is far worse than accusing someone of being an actor, in the book of any fair-minded individual.
Be careful, in this current administration suing Pfizer for silently going along with the mandates when they knew everything being said to justify them was false could be ruled as frivolous and you in turn would wind up having to pay.
 

ZNP

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#46
Not even tin foil hat conspiracy theorists predicted this.

 

ZNP

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#49
Fauci decides to have an honest confession

 

Dude653

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If the vaccine is so deadly why haven't I died or gotten covid? Been vaxxed 4 times now including the valent booster.

I've been exposed to covid too.

That's the truth.

So either you guys are wrong or I'm going to die.
Most people on this forum are anti-x but the numbers don't support their arguments.
The majority of the world's population has had at least one dose so if the vaccine is as deadly as they claim, you would expect to see a lot more casualties
The odds of the vaccine killing you are actually astronomically low
 
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Gojira

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other than the last line, they said all of those things. and knew they were not true when they were saying them.

stop standing against truth and pushing vaccine mis-information.

be a Christian. stand for truth.
Here's some truth. My relatively healthy friend got a freakin' stroke one month after getting one of those shots. He's diabetic, but he's one of those who are healthy as he keeps it under control. There were no cardiovascular warning signs, as his numbers were good. Then, boom.

Charlie Kirk did an informal survey at an event in a church ... maybe a year or so ago?? He asked the crowd if they had any adverse medical events after getting the shot or if they knew someone who did. He reported that the majority of the people raised their hands.

I'm sorry, but institutions I used to trust as being objective and at least somewhat informed, I no longer do. You can thank the Left for that.
 

JohnDB

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Most people on this forum are anti-x but the numbers don't support their arguments.
The majority of the world's population has had at least one dose so if the vaccine is as deadly as they claim, you would expect to see a lot more casualties
The odds of the vaccine killing you are actually astronomically low
I know...
They are relying upon herd logic instead of real facts.
Herd logic relies upon anecdote instead of real information and confuses Correlation with causation when they recite a study which may or may or may not be a real study. (Russia and Iran have been using Social Media to muddy the waters....they have a vested interest in the USA not taking the best vaccines)

All that being said...

Using attenuated viruses in the normal vats of hk cells to create a vaccine (SOP method) was already known to be a failure long ago with this class of viruses. At best a 60% success rate in laboratory trials meaning 40% to 35% real world trials. Gilliam Barre syndrome leading the pack along with blood clots and the rest of it for side effects....but AstraZenneca/Oxford and J&J were not stopped and both approved for use....

And the antivaxxers use these vaccines as proof that mRNA vaccines are murderous.
MRNA vaccines will either kill you in ten days (and it will hurt the whole ten days) or they work brilliantly. They do have ONE known side effect but since nobody has mentioned it I'm not going to either...but it is rather mild even if annoying.

Pfizer basically re-engineered the vaccine that was developed through publicly funded research...mRNA technology is not new and the scientist who discovered this type of vaccine was effective for Corona type viruses works here in Nashville at Vanderbilt University. He was hired by Moderna to help them get their version to the masses....of course they and he are being sued by everyone because of this....including the Government...but it was results stemming from NIH funded research.

Now with Dr. Faucci and the NIH....
Ok....lots of shenanigans going on that they do NOT want to be known. None of it good and most of it is outrageous. Dr. Faucci definitely lied...and he knew he was lying the whole time.. I don't know of a researcher who didn't know that he was lying. Why he deliberately told a whopper to people about preventing infection spread is beyond me and everyone else in the research community. Except for those who strong armed him into doing so.

Pfizer is not the "hero of the people's republic" that they claim...same with J&J....both have deliberately and decisively decided that they "wouldn't know" some things that in truth they did know about. They also have some drug trials waiting in the wings to be done....like treatments and medications for long covid and etc...but they refuse to start them because they really don't have the answers yet that they need to perfect the medicines...and don't want anyone else to.
 
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I know...
They are relying upon herd logic instead of real facts.
Herd logic relies upon anecdote instead of real information and confuses Correlation with causation when they recite a study which may or may or may not be a real study. (Russia and Iran have been using Social Media to muddy the waters....they have a vested interest in the USA not taking the best vaccines)

All that being said...

Using attenuated viruses in the normal vats of hk cells to create a vaccine (SOP method) was already known to be a failure long ago with this class of viruses. At best a 60% success rate in laboratory trials meaning 40% to 35% real world trials. Gilliam Barre syndrome leading the pack along with blood clots and the rest of it for side effects....but AstraZenneca/Oxford and J&J were not stopped and both approved for use....

And the antivaxxers use these vaccines as proof that mRNA vaccines are murderous.
MRNA vaccines will either kill you in ten days (and it will hurt the whole ten days) or they work brilliantly. They do have ONE known side effect but since nobody has mentioned it I'm not going to either...but it is rather mild even if annoying.

Pfizer basically re-engineered the vaccine that was developed through publicly funded research...mRNA technology is not new and the scientist who discovered this type of vaccine was effective for Corona type viruses works here in Nashville at Vanderbilt University. He was hired by Moderna to help them get their version to the masses....of course they and he are being sued by everyone because of this....including the Government...but it was results stemming from NIH funded research.

Now with Dr. Faucci and the NIH....
Ok....lots of shenanigans going on that they do NOT want to be known. None of it good and most of it is outrageous. Dr. Faucci definitely lied...and he knew he was lying the whole time.. I don't know of a researcher who didn't know that he was lying. Why he deliberately told a whopper to people about preventing infection spread is beyond me and everyone else in the research community. Except for those who strong armed him into doing so.

Pfizer is not the "hero of the people's republic" that they claim...same with J&J....both have deliberately and decisively decided that they "wouldn't know" some things that in truth they did know about. They also have some drug trials waiting in the wings to be done....like treatments and medications for long covid and etc...but they refuse to start them because they really don't have the answers yet that they need to perfect the medicines...and don't want anyone else to.
Actually, the guy who developed this, I forget his name, is coming down on these shots.
 

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And the truth about why Facebook and Twitter as well as other social media platforms let Russia and Iran influence vaccine usage is because they just finished helping the Democrats get the white house....
And since EVERYONE on the congressional committee that investigated these platforms held major positions in their portfolios (by a straw owner) they weren't going to do anything....even the ones who gave them supposedly the most difficult time during their testimonies voted that there was "nothing wrong". It all was a sham...
 

Dude653

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I know...
They are relying upon herd logic instead of real facts.
Herd logic relies upon anecdote instead of real information and confuses Correlation with causation when they recite a study which may or may or may not be a real study. (Russia and Iran have been using Social Media to muddy the waters....they have a vested interest in the USA not taking the best vaccines)

All that being said...

Using attenuated viruses in the normal vats of hk cells to create a vaccine (SOP method) was already known to be a failure long ago with this class of viruses. At best a 60% success rate in laboratory trials meaning 40% to 35% real world trials. Gilliam Barre syndrome leading the pack along with blood clots and the rest of it for side effects....but AstraZenneca/Oxford and J&J were not stopped and both approved for use....

And the antivaxxers use these vaccines as proof that mRNA vaccines are murderous.
MRNA vaccines will either kill you in ten days (and it will hurt the whole ten days) or they work brilliantly. They do have ONE known side effect but since nobody has mentioned it I'm not going to either...but it is rather mild even if annoying.

Pfizer basically re-engineered the vaccine that was developed through publicly funded research...mRNA technology is not new and the scientist who discovered this type of vaccine was effective for Corona type viruses works here in Nashville at Vanderbilt University. He was hired by Moderna to help them get their version to the masses....of course they and he are being sued by everyone because of this....including the Government...but it was results stemming from NIH funded research.

Now with Dr. Faucci and the NIH....
Ok....lots of shenanigans going on that they do NOT want to be known. None of it good and most of it is outrageous. Dr. Faucci definitely lied...and he knew he was lying the whole time.. I don't know of a researcher who didn't know that he was lying. Why he deliberately told a whopper to people about preventing infection spread is beyond me and everyone else in the research community. Except for those who strong armed him into doing so.

Pfizer is not the "hero of the people's republic" that they claim...same with J&J....both have deliberately and decisively decided that they "wouldn't know" some things that in truth they did know about. They also have some drug trials waiting in the wings to be done....like treatments and medications for long covid and etc...but they refuse to start them because they really don't have the answers yet that they need to perfect the medicines...and don't want anyone else to.
. Correct. They think anecdotes are data.
Unfortunately every vaccine ever has had a few casualties because that's just the nature of human biology
 

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Not anti vaccine, anti pseudo vaccine which is actually a gene damaging experimental poison that Dr. Phony promotes.
 

JohnDB

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Actually, the guy who developed this, I forget his name, is coming down on these shots.
No....
I know who you are talking about and he doesn't work at Vanderbilt...he had a very minor role with the Hungarian lady who developed mRNA technology over a dozen years ago...and his role could have been performed by thousands of different people who are qualified....but he strong armed his way into that group and got a small portion of routine research on that project. He had nothing to do with the current Covid mRNA vaccine that Moderna produces. He had pretty much made such a nuisance of himself he is unwelcome on any research team anywhere. That's why he is pissed off and trying to get even like a spoiled brat who believes himself entitled.
 
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Gojira

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Not anti vaccine, anti pseudo vaccine which is actually a gene damaging experimental poison that Dr. Phony promotes.
Yeah, if you go against the official narrative, you're a creepy conspiratorialist. Sometimes, that may be true. But, when people I trust are telling me that these shots are not especially great, almost an entire church raises its hands at the question of serious side-effects, and then I hear that kids -- who do not need these shots -- may be forced to get them, I start raising big question marks.