Christians response to gay marriage?
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Racists an no more or less rational in their prejudices then homophobes and racists do base their prejudice on "moral" behavior. Racists don't have issue with blacks that "know their place" and who aren't "uppity". Racists take offense at the anti-biblical choice of many Blacks to live and act as the social and moral equals of whites. Acting as such is a moral affront to racists.
So again: Discrimination is the prejudicial or disadvantageous treatment of an individual based on his or her membership - or perceived membership - in or of a minority. Discrimination restricts members of a minority group from opportunities or privileges that are available to the majority group, leading to the exclusion of the individual based on minority membership and not on an individual’s behavior or character.
So a baker refusing to provide the same services to LGBT individuals that he offers to the general public is exactly the same as if a baker was refusing to provide services to African Americans.
holding up a bible doesn't change hate into something else.
why would that bookstore owner refuse to do business with you? If you are there to buy books that the store stocks then go ahead and buy your books.
And is that businesses owner believes black people are diseased subhumans is it discrimination to put a sign on their store saying "whites only"?
So again: Discrimination is the prejudicial or disadvantageous treatment of an individual based on his or her membership - or perceived membership - in or of a minority. Discrimination restricts members of a minority group from opportunities or privileges that are available to the majority group, leading to the exclusion of the individual based on minority membership and not on an individual’s behavior or character.
So a baker refusing to provide the same services to LGBT individuals that he offers to the general public is exactly the same as if a baker was refusing to provide services to African Americans.
holding up a bible doesn't change hate into something else.
why would that bookstore owner refuse to do business with you? If you are there to buy books that the store stocks then go ahead and buy your books.
And is that businesses owner believes black people are diseased subhumans is it discrimination to put a sign on their store saying "whites only"?
the making of a wedding cakes is a service the baker provided to the general public. When he refused to provide that service to a minority couple he broke the law and discriminated.
the court didn't say that at all. Here is the court's decision so you can read for yourself: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-111_j4el.pdf
the court didn't say that at all. Here is the court's decision so you can read for yourself: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-111_j4el.pdf
Like I said, delusional.
I don't even know what to say to that... I really don't think you understand racism. Sure... there are some mild ones as you've described, but I don't think you really understand racism very well- I've encountered some serious ethnosupremacists on this site (who are banned) and it gets way deeper than what you are saying.
Discrimination doesn't have to do with "minorities". You don't have to be a minority to experience or commit discrimination. Your liberal politics is one conceptual error after another.
Like I said, I care more about homosexuals than the liberal "gay-marriage" activists ever will. They don't care one bit about gay people. And no matter what you say-if you are advocating privileges for only married gays then you don't really care about gay people either. End of story. You're doing nothing more than spewing satan's vomit for him. that's it. I actually love gay people, and you don't.
Money may be your god, but it's not everyone else's. Why would he provide me with the tools I will use to convert his pool of potential romantic partners to Christianity, therby shrinking his pool of potential romantic partners? People aren't stupid... they know that most of Christians preach against homosexuality. And when you convert someone, the people around them undergo a crisis. People tend to avoid crisis.
One concept error after another. Just stop this. Repent. You're not gonna call God a bigot to his face, so you might as well just change your mind now and make things easier on yourself. (See, you do understand racism... you just pretended like you didnt')
I don't even know what to say to that... I really don't think you understand racism. Sure... there are some mild ones as you've described, but I don't think you really understand racism very well- I've encountered some serious ethnosupremacists on this site (who are banned) and it gets way deeper than what you are saying.
Discrimination doesn't have to do with "minorities". You don't have to be a minority to experience or commit discrimination. Your liberal politics is one conceptual error after another.
Like I said, I care more about homosexuals than the liberal "gay-marriage" activists ever will. They don't care one bit about gay people. And no matter what you say-if you are advocating privileges for only married gays then you don't really care about gay people either. End of story. You're doing nothing more than spewing satan's vomit for him. that's it. I actually love gay people, and you don't.
Money may be your god, but it's not everyone else's. Why would he provide me with the tools I will use to convert his pool of potential romantic partners to Christianity, therby shrinking his pool of potential romantic partners? People aren't stupid... they know that most of Christians preach against homosexuality. And when you convert someone, the people around them undergo a crisis. People tend to avoid crisis.
One concept error after another. Just stop this. Repent. You're not gonna call God a bigot to his face, so you might as well just change your mind now and make things easier on yourself. (See, you do understand racism... you just pretended like you didnt')
My point is that there are people on this forum that think other people not believing in their religion is somehow persecution against them. It's not
I was replying to the comment about people "denying Jesus". Last time I checked, everyone has a constitutional right to follow or not follow whatever religion they want
I was replying to the comment about people "denying Jesus". Last time I checked, everyone has a constitutional right to follow or not follow whatever religion they want
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Well that's a lot of opinion there, which you are entitled to. And exactly what do you mean by "Racists take offense at the anti-biblical choice of many Blacks to live and act as the social and moral equals of whites. "
What is "anti- biblical" in particular?
No, it isn't. He has a right to his religious beliefs. There are certain cakes he would not make because of his beliefs. He wouldn't make Halloween cakes because of his beliefs, and that is his right.
You making a judgement call doesn't make it hate.
Not the same situation.
What is "anti- biblical" in particular?
No, it isn't. He has a right to his religious beliefs. There are certain cakes he would not make because of his beliefs. He wouldn't make Halloween cakes because of his beliefs, and that is his right.
You making a judgement call doesn't make it hate.
Not the same situation.
Personally I think it's dumb for a business to turn down a paying customer, as the whole point of running a business is to make money. Unless it was something outrageous like a Hitler cake or something
But people speak with their wallets so I feel like if the bakery doesn't want to bake the cake then there's probably another bakery that will accommodate them and people can also choose to boycott their business because that's how the free market works
But people speak with their wallets so I feel like if the bakery doesn't want to bake the cake then there's probably another bakery that will accommodate them and people can also choose to boycott their business because that's how the free market works
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He didn't bake Halloween cakes, and various other cakes. So it was according to his religious beliefs, simple. He offered them other things, he didn't refuse them service. He just refused to bake a cake that was against his beliefs. That is why he won the case. I disagree with alcohol. If I opened a business I wouldn't serve it, period. Would I lose business? Sure, but that's my beliefs and I wouldn't change, nor should I have to. Same situation with the baker.
You're saying race and sexual preference are the same thing, and I don't believe they aren't. People don't choose their race. They do, however, choose with whom and when they have sex, etc.
And before you say they can't help how they feel, I agree. But feelings aren't exactly where the sin comes into homosexuality. The feelings might be normal to some. Where the sin enters is when they choose to lust for or have sex with someone of the same sex. Just like the sin in my life wouldn't be my attraction to or feelings for a man, it would be in my choice to have lust for or sleep with this man.
Now, to me, it takes a LOT of mercy for us to learn to love everyone, and for each, the way we show this love is different. Many people believe it's loving to tell people the error of their ways, so they can truly repent and turn away from that action. In their eyes, that is the greatest thing they can do for another person. Whether this is right or wrong to God, isn't for me to say.
My personal choice is to just show the characteristics of Love to people, the best I can, without expecting anything in return from them, and regardless of how they live. Then, when/if asked how I believe, I can tell them the Good News that while I was still in my sinful heart, God reached out to me, and loved me anyways, the same way he loves you/them.
But no one is perfect at this either...
And before you say they can't help how they feel, I agree. But feelings aren't exactly where the sin comes into homosexuality. The feelings might be normal to some. Where the sin enters is when they choose to lust for or have sex with someone of the same sex. Just like the sin in my life wouldn't be my attraction to or feelings for a man, it would be in my choice to have lust for or sleep with this man.
Now, to me, it takes a LOT of mercy for us to learn to love everyone, and for each, the way we show this love is different. Many people believe it's loving to tell people the error of their ways, so they can truly repent and turn away from that action. In their eyes, that is the greatest thing they can do for another person. Whether this is right or wrong to God, isn't for me to say.
My personal choice is to just show the characteristics of Love to people, the best I can, without expecting anything in return from them, and regardless of how they live. Then, when/if asked how I believe, I can tell them the Good News that while I was still in my sinful heart, God reached out to me, and loved me anyways, the same way he loves you/them.
But no one is perfect at this either...
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