Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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Yes.
And let's look at even more scripture.
The below passage applies to people who can't blame their unbelief on a lack of evidence. That means people are born, i.e., infants, with an excuse for not understanding general revelation. This isn't to say an infant is born in a "born again" state, but rather not born under condemnation. My accusers failed to grasp this at first, but maybe now they'll understand.
Romans 1
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
And let's look at even more scripture.
The below passage applies to people who can't blame their unbelief on a lack of evidence. That means people are born, i.e., infants, with an excuse for not understanding general revelation. This isn't to say an infant is born in a "born again" state, but rather not born under condemnation. My accusers failed to grasp this at first, but maybe now they'll understand.
Romans 1
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Blame doesn't matter. Excuses don't matter.
The FACT is people aren't born believers. And therefore, according to scripture, are born in condemnation.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
YOU are failing to grasp simple scripture.
The FACT is people aren't born believers. And therefore, according to scripture, are born in condemnation.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
YOU are failing to grasp simple scripture.
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Reading this thread shows how cults and or denominations are built.
Folks mostly men, subtilty adjust, as was done in the garden, Scripture to fit what they want others to believe. They tell us what the Scriptures say yet when the Scripture is read it does not say what the cultist says. When someone post rebuttal the demand made by the cultist is to the exact wording of Scripture. That double standard is very telling. Once others start agreeing they are trapped. They will place, their timing, on the Word making claims that are close to a truth but not Truth. Substituting a little here and there. Seems many start out as simply not understanding , not putting themselves under a God given authority, then develop the ego that they are above the norm. Forums are full of such.
Folks mostly men, subtilty adjust, as was done in the garden, Scripture to fit what they want others to believe. They tell us what the Scriptures say yet when the Scripture is read it does not say what the cultist says. When someone post rebuttal the demand made by the cultist is to the exact wording of Scripture. That double standard is very telling. Once others start agreeing they are trapped. They will place, their timing, on the Word making claims that are close to a truth but not Truth. Substituting a little here and there. Seems many start out as simply not understanding , not putting themselves under a God given authority, then develop the ego that they are above the norm. Forums are full of such.
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According to scripture it matters.
That’s correct.
Not according to scripture.
That says “because.” People can’t believe in something until they hear about it and understand it. And therefore can’t be condemned on the basis of not believing in something they are incapable of knowing about.
Even Paul said that in order to believe a preacher must be sent. That’s very clear.
No I’m not. I just showed you your error above.
That’s correct.
Not according to scripture.
That says “because.” People can’t believe in something until they hear about it and understand it. And therefore can’t be condemned on the basis of not believing in something they are incapable of knowing about.
Even Paul said that in order to believe a preacher must be sent. That’s very clear.
No I’m not. I just showed you your error above.
No I am not saying that, I am saying that according to John 3:18 that condemnation doesn’t apply if people are not able to believe in the Son of God such as is the case of someone who is just born. I don’t know what the result of that is.
According to scripture, it’s up to God to judge perfectly and righteously. However, it should be noted that condemnation is normally a judgement to a penalty. So if someone isn’t condemned what happens?
Here’s another one to consider according to scripture:
John 9:41
41Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
According to scripture, it’s up to God to judge perfectly and righteously. However, it should be noted that condemnation is normally a judgement to a penalty. So if someone isn’t condemned what happens?
Here’s another one to consider according to scripture:
John 9:41
41Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
I'm persuaded of that too.
What this passage does, actually, is prove my case. It says nothing about eternal security. What it does say is the Lord is able to sustain us in faith until the end, if we trust in Him. It says "He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him," not that which He committed to me.
What this passage does, actually, is prove my case. It says nothing about eternal security. What it does say is the Lord is able to sustain us in faith until the end, if we trust in Him. It says "He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him," not that which He committed to me.
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