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So, By "Grace Through faith" (Eph 2:8),The LORD "Accepts us In The
Beloved" (Eph 1:6), "BY The ONE Baptism Of The ONE Holy Spirit"
(Eph 4:5; 1Co 12:13), Into the (Heavenly) Body Of Christ, but:
the brethren will not accept us into the local (earthly) congregation
without the other "baptism of water," performed traditionally (Many
Different ways), their way?
So, Many congregations believe there are TWO baptisms with much
Confusion of "who, what, when, where, and why," when God Says,
In Scripture, "There is Only ONE Baptism"?
Just sayin' or askin'...
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided(+ I and II)!
Beloved" (Eph 1:6), "BY The ONE Baptism Of The ONE Holy Spirit"
(Eph 4:5; 1Co 12:13), Into the (Heavenly) Body Of Christ, but:
the brethren will not accept us into the local (earthly) congregation
without the other "baptism of water," performed traditionally (Many
Different ways), their way?
So, Many congregations believe there are TWO baptisms with much
Confusion of "who, what, when, where, and why," when God Says,
In Scripture, "There is Only ONE Baptism"?
Just sayin' or askin'...
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided(+ I and II)!
Don't know what you mean ftom a scriptural perspective. Membership in THE LORD'S church is done by the Lord. You're baptized into his body which is HIS church according to Acts 2:38-47. No one on earth has the power or authority to add you to the church nor vote you in or deny or grant you membership.
Yes, there is too much confusion over baptisms. In scripture we do see the Holy Spirit baptise the disciples with fire at Pentecost, fulfilling Jesus' saying that He will baptise them with the Spirit.
But this isn't giving eternak salvation, they were baptised this way as a group. I also believe they were saved eternally (except for Judas) before Pentecost.
So that's Acts 2. Then thru Acts we see more instances of GROUPS having the Holy Spirit come 'in their midst'
This is again not about receiving eternal life. These are already converted groups that have become NT churches.. with the Holy Spirit coming to be their Comforter and Lampstand. Jesus also doing the same thing as the Holy Spirit as the Head of each church.
The key verse though us 1 co 12:13
The Corinthians and Paul were baptised by one Spirit into one body.
The KJV has the 'by one Spirit' with a capital S..
But according to some, this is a poor translation and should be being baptised 'IN one spirit (small s) into one body.
So it means a spirit of unity to be baptized by immersion in water in reference to the church they joined.
Therefore Paul would have been baptised by immersion in water in reference to I think it was the church Antioch and then the Corinthians to the church at Corinth.
Now.. so this is clearer, every other reference to body in Corinthians aside from Jesus own physical body.. is of a connected, assembled, unified local congregation.
Paul says to the Corinthians 'ye are the body of Christ'
That's not every believer.. that's the church at Corinth.
So then the odds are that 1 Co 12:13 is also of a local congregation. The one body Paul joined.. seperate from the Corinthians.. and the one body the Corinthians joined.
Got a problem with multiple bodies?
Jesus indwells each believer with the Holy Spirit.. is that millions and millions of Holy Spirit's? No!
But this isn't giving eternak salvation, they were baptised this way as a group. I also believe they were saved eternally (except for Judas) before Pentecost.
So that's Acts 2. Then thru Acts we see more instances of GROUPS having the Holy Spirit come 'in their midst'
This is again not about receiving eternal life. These are already converted groups that have become NT churches.. with the Holy Spirit coming to be their Comforter and Lampstand. Jesus also doing the same thing as the Holy Spirit as the Head of each church.
The key verse though us 1 co 12:13
The Corinthians and Paul were baptised by one Spirit into one body.
The KJV has the 'by one Spirit' with a capital S..
But according to some, this is a poor translation and should be being baptised 'IN one spirit (small s) into one body.
So it means a spirit of unity to be baptized by immersion in water in reference to the church they joined.
Therefore Paul would have been baptised by immersion in water in reference to I think it was the church Antioch and then the Corinthians to the church at Corinth.
Now.. so this is clearer, every other reference to body in Corinthians aside from Jesus own physical body.. is of a connected, assembled, unified local congregation.
Paul says to the Corinthians 'ye are the body of Christ'
That's not every believer.. that's the church at Corinth.
So then the odds are that 1 Co 12:13 is also of a local congregation. The one body Paul joined.. seperate from the Corinthians.. and the one body the Corinthians joined.
Got a problem with multiple bodies?
Jesus indwells each believer with the Holy Spirit.. is that millions and millions of Holy Spirit's? No!
The salvation/deliverance in Rom 10 is not referencing eternal deliverance, but a deliverance that the child of God receives as they sojourn here in this world. Eternal deliverance is not gained by our good works.
John 5:24 - Those that hear and believe already has eternal life. "hath" is in past tense.
If the body of Christ is always local.. then Baptism becomes a pre requirement to membership.
I believe believers enter the Kingdom and Family of God at new birth, but not the local church (local body of Christ).
The Body of Christ is NOT the Family of God. They are different.
The body of Christ, the church.. has
Church discipline
The Lord's Supper
Tithing
The Holy Spirit 'in the midst'
Is assembled
Requires water baptism for membership.
The Kingdom and Family:
Are scattered everywhere.. unassembled.
Have no requirement for entry except initially believing in Jesus.
Have no ordinances of Lord's Supper and tithing.
The Holy Spirit indwells each believer but is not 'in the midst' of the Kingdom and Family.
I could go on.
The point being.. the Body of Christ a local congregation.. not a universal entity.
I believe believers enter the Kingdom and Family of God at new birth, but not the local church (local body of Christ).
The Body of Christ is NOT the Family of God. They are different.
The body of Christ, the church.. has
Church discipline
The Lord's Supper
Tithing
The Holy Spirit 'in the midst'
Is assembled
Requires water baptism for membership.
The Kingdom and Family:
Are scattered everywhere.. unassembled.
Have no requirement for entry except initially believing in Jesus.
Have no ordinances of Lord's Supper and tithing.
The Holy Spirit indwells each believer but is not 'in the midst' of the Kingdom and Family.
I could go on.
The point being.. the Body of Christ a local congregation.. not a universal entity.
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we all become part of the body the same way by being baptized into it which is the new birth. There are no scriptures that define how you place membership with a different configuration, as that really wasn't an issue back then nor should it be now for that matter. And all the local congregations, although autonomous, are part of the overall body of Christ, not separate from it; they're just the local church all of which are part of Christ's body. The kingdom of God on earth is the church, both local and universal when considering all congregations. And Matthew 18:20 says
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
