Christians Are Not Sinners
- Thread starter EDENgate
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Yes that’s my prayer.
you’re saying bad things about the Holy Spirit now.
What’s my sin?
I have no power to curse anyone nor have I attempted to. Perhaps that’s your conscience bearing witness against you.
Yes indeed and I’m proud of who God has made me so far. Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.
you’re saying bad things about the Holy Spirit now.
What’s my sin?
I have no power to curse anyone nor have I attempted to. Perhaps that’s your conscience bearing witness against you.
Yes indeed and I’m proud of who God has made me so far. Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.
P
oh so you can actually say something and not just put an x.
perhaps one day you will better understand what folks are discussing in this thread
until thing, you are wrong in your conclusion but you will find all I have said in scripture. it's up to the individual to see it in the Bible but it is wise not to attack and say nasty things to someone you really do not know in the least
believe what you want but don't blame me or anyone else for your misunderstanding
the actual conflict is your own twisting of what was said
perhaps one day you will better understand what folks are discussing in this thread
until thing, you are wrong in your conclusion but you will find all I have said in scripture. it's up to the individual to see it in the Bible but it is wise not to attack and say nasty things to someone you really do not know in the least
believe what you want but don't blame me or anyone else for your misunderstanding
the actual conflict is your own twisting of what was said
-
1
- Show all
P
well if God does not consider us 'guilty' since our sins are forgiven, I would think the sorrow comes from disappointing God.
guilt...means we are guilty...sorrow means being sad over something
here is a verse that kind of illustrates what I am saying;
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
II Corinthians 7:10
guilt...means we are guilty...sorrow means being sad over something
here is a verse that kind of illustrates what I am saying;
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
II Corinthians 7:10
Putting an "X" is me merely disagreeing with a poster... engaging in a thread that is filled with people attacking each other, isn't necessary to me.
And you still don't think/see that that IS exactly what you've been doing all through this thread... you attacking other's and then you being attacked back. Sinning, while claiming that you are not a sinner, lol. It's ridiculous...
And then this! Is totally unbiblical... it's the Holy Spirit that opens Scripture up to people... and it's up to the person expounding on Scripture to teach clearly.
People, (plural) have misunderstood... you are the one with the issue. And you make it hard for us... and then blame us.
Narcissism is easy to see.
And you still don't think/see that that IS exactly what you've been doing all through this thread... you attacking other's and then you being attacked back. Sinning, while claiming that you are not a sinner, lol. It's ridiculous...
And then this! Is totally unbiblical... it's the Holy Spirit that opens Scripture up to people... and it's up to the person expounding on Scripture to teach clearly.
People, (plural) have misunderstood... you are the one with the issue. And you make it hard for us... and then blame us.
Narcissism is easy to see.
-
1
-
1
- Show all
Yes. At the moment we believe the gospel, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13), declared righteous (Rom 3:21-22), and all past sins are wiped away. We are born again, declared righteous, and sealed with the Holy Spirit, guaranteeing our salvation (2 Cor 1:22; 5:5; Eph 1:14). Even if you never do another thing for God, you will be saved. A Christian is not working for salvation (his salvation is guaranteed), but for rewards in the future. Christians who have done their best to live for God will receive a rich welcome into the kingdom (2 Pet 1:11). Those who did nothing will be saved only as one escaping through the flames (IE: with nothing).
Christians do sin. All of us. Every single one. And when we do, we are to confess it, and then we are forgiven (1 John 1:9) and the slate is wiped clean again. It's not true that God does not see our sin. He does. There will be a price to pay for unrepentant sin (2 Cor 5:10).
Christians do sin. All of us. Every single one. And when we do, we are to confess it, and then we are forgiven (1 John 1:9) and the slate is wiped clean again. It's not true that God does not see our sin. He does. There will be a price to pay for unrepentant sin (2 Cor 5:10).
-
1
- Show all
P
Several places in Scripture refer to believers being “in Christ” (1 Peter 5:14; Philippians 1:1; Romans 8:1). Colossians 3:3 gives a little more insight: “For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.” When we come to Christ as broken sinners, He exchanges our sin for His righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Through repentance and acceptance of Jesus’ death on our behalf, we are even called His children (John 1:12; Galatians 3:26). God no longer sees our imperfections; He sees the righteousness of His own Son instead (Ephesians 2:13; Hebrews 8:12). Because we are in Christ, God sees Christ’s righteousness covering us. Only “in Christ” is our sin debt cancelled, our relationship with God restored, and our eternity secured (John 3:16–18; 20:31). In Christ, God sees me as a new creation: “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come” (2 Corinthians 5:17). We have peace with God and are counted as righteous before Him (verses 17–21). Rather than seeing my sin, God sees the righteousness of His Son. He sees me as justified, redeemed, sanctified, even glorified (see Romans 8:30).
In Ephesians 1:3–14 we learn some of the ways God sees us in Christ. God “has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places” (verse 3). We are equipped with all we need. We are chosen to “be holy and blameless before [God]” (verse 4). We are seen as holy and blameless because we are in Christ (cf. 2 Corinthians 3:18).
see Got Questions
I chose Got Questions because they word things simply so that anyone should (if they are willing) be able to understand.
I prefer not to argue with scripture. The above is what I believe and what I have said. Ask yourself why some are so against these biblical truths and why they twist what I have said (and what others say).
We should get our understanding from scripture and not our own understanding. To do that, you must renew your minds with the word...in other words, BELIEVE what the word is saying and do not doubt. That is how you can renew your mind.
If you are in disagreement with the above, you have a problem with God. Not with me. The problem is with God. And if you become angry and start saying I am arguing, then you still have a problem. Not with me. With God.
Please note there are now 5 people I have put on ignore so post as you will....that is also your problem since you cannot seem to stop trying to disagree with scripture.
I have stated over and over that God does not see our sin and that is in perfect agreement with scripture. So maybe adjust your ability to simply believe what God Himself states in His Word.
Through repentance and acceptance of Jesus’ death on our behalf, we are even called His children (John 1:12; Galatians 3:26). God no longer sees our imperfections; He sees the righteousness of His own Son instead (Ephesians 2:13; Hebrews 8:12). Because we are in Christ, God sees Christ’s righteousness covering us. Only “in Christ” is our sin debt cancelled, our relationship with God restored, and our eternity secured (John 3:16–18; 20:31). In Christ, God sees me as a new creation: “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come” (2 Corinthians 5:17). We have peace with God and are counted as righteous before Him (verses 17–21). Rather than seeing my sin, God sees the righteousness of His Son. He sees me as justified, redeemed, sanctified, even glorified (see Romans 8:30).
In Ephesians 1:3–14 we learn some of the ways God sees us in Christ. God “has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places” (verse 3). We are equipped with all we need. We are chosen to “be holy and blameless before [God]” (verse 4). We are seen as holy and blameless because we are in Christ (cf. 2 Corinthians 3:18).
see Got Questions
I chose Got Questions because they word things simply so that anyone should (if they are willing) be able to understand.
I prefer not to argue with scripture. The above is what I believe and what I have said. Ask yourself why some are so against these biblical truths and why they twist what I have said (and what others say).
We should get our understanding from scripture and not our own understanding. To do that, you must renew your minds with the word...in other words, BELIEVE what the word is saying and do not doubt. That is how you can renew your mind.
If you are in disagreement with the above, you have a problem with God. Not with me. The problem is with God. And if you become angry and start saying I am arguing, then you still have a problem. Not with me. With God.
Please note there are now 5 people I have put on ignore so post as you will....that is also your problem since you cannot seem to stop trying to disagree with scripture.
I have stated over and over that God does not see our sin and that is in perfect agreement with scripture. So maybe adjust your ability to simply believe what God Himself states in His Word.
FreeGrace2 said:
And I don't answer questions I don't understand. So if you're not interested in clarifying, why bother posting to anyone?
Why don't you dig back to the question I asked clarification for. And then explain what he was asking.
The posted I asked only got hyper-sentive and claimed I was "on the offensive" and "liked to fight". But no explanation of the question.
Then point out my "wrong".
Anyone can make claims. But proving the claim with actual evidence is a whole other thing.
Where is your evidence?
And I don't answer questions I don't understand. So if you're not interested in clarifying, why bother posting to anyone?
Why don't you dig back to the question I asked clarification for. And then explain what he was asking.
The posted I asked only got hyper-sentive and claimed I was "on the offensive" and "liked to fight". But no explanation of the question.
Then point out my "wrong".
Anyone can make claims. But proving the claim with actual evidence is a whole other thing.
Where is your evidence?
-
1
- Show all
Besides your rant on this thread page ? As you try to cover what is your hypersensitive reaction to a question pages back that CLEARLY asked if there are members here who argue,teach, Jesus was just a man with a sin nature who chose not to sin?
Overlooking the question though , you go off asking if I'm implying something about you and this forum.
Ignored the actual question. Instead you accused me of not being clear in asking the question you didn't comprehend save to somehow,and God only knows how, to think asking that about heretical teachings as relates to Jesus somehow led your brain to think I was questioning your influence in this community.
Proof? Of instability? Start at page 19. Find your post and move forward.
You're so angry you lash out at your own delusion. That is pathetic.
And you still don't understand my question. Not because it was ever garbled. Rather it appears you feel guilty about something you inferred was in my post about your involvement in this community. That was all you.
My asking,wording, ''Have you members here....'' [''who teach ,believe Jesus was just a man.....''], was the same as asking, ''are there members here....''
But not in your mind.
No.
You went off on a tangent of your own imagination thinking I was accusing you of something?
You are right though in one respect alone.
You demonstrate yourself to be free of grace.
And that's why you sound like the enemies who post their screeds on this forum. Sometimes you're rational. Sometimes not.
Legion!
I don't care if you accept this post. You're a tragedy.
Overlooking the question though , you go off asking if I'm implying something about you and this forum.
Ignored the actual question. Instead you accused me of not being clear in asking the question you didn't comprehend save to somehow,and God only knows how, to think asking that about heretical teachings as relates to Jesus somehow led your brain to think I was questioning your influence in this community.
Proof? Of instability? Start at page 19. Find your post and move forward.
You're so angry you lash out at your own delusion. That is pathetic.
And you still don't understand my question. Not because it was ever garbled. Rather it appears you feel guilty about something you inferred was in my post about your involvement in this community. That was all you.
My asking,wording, ''Have you members here....'' [''who teach ,believe Jesus was just a man.....''], was the same as asking, ''are there members here....''
But not in your mind.
No.
You went off on a tangent of your own imagination thinking I was accusing you of something?
You are right though in one respect alone.
You demonstrate yourself to be free of grace.
And that's why you sound like the enemies who post their screeds on this forum. Sometimes you're rational. Sometimes not.
Legion!
I don't care if you accept this post. You're a tragedy.